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Dropping Of The Atomic Bomb!
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Did this not bring an end to WW2? Millions of innocent Japanese were killed but it did bring an end to the war, Japan is now a leading figure in world affairs and technology, and they certainly do not hold it against the USA and the rest of the Western World as to what happened 70 years ago! My very controversial question is, would the same happen if the bomb was dropped on the so called 'Islamic State'!!
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There are protocols to be followed first. The correct etiquette is for the P.M. to announce,very solemnly,on the wireless, "That as we have received no such undertaking from their ambassadeur we are therefore at war with..........(choice of country/state to be inserted) The gloves are then removed and everybody has free hand to Blitz,Firebomb,Gas etc and then when everybody gets tired and wants to go home they finalise it with a few mushroom farms.
Now that's the civilised way of doing things and anything else would be Un-.British. The dilemma is,for heads of state is what "Islamic State" to nuke. There is Brick Lane.London,Bradford,Pakistan,Syria,Saudi,Kuwait... oh so many choices. I think jaw jaw before war war and then boots on ground will be the only only way to eradicate this evil terrorist group without the criminal slaughter of INNOCENT people by the million!!!
Now that's the civilised way of doing things and anything else would be Un-.British. The dilemma is,for heads of state is what "Islamic State" to nuke. There is Brick Lane.London,Bradford,Pakistan,Syria,Saudi,Kuwait... oh so many choices. I think jaw jaw before war war and then boots on ground will be the only only way to eradicate this evil terrorist group without the criminal slaughter of INNOCENT people by the million!!!
Can I correct an error in your post ST ? Millions of people didn't die by the nuclear weapon attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. There were approx 140,000 people killed at Hiroshima and approx. 74,909 killed in Nagasaki. More Japanese were killed by non-nuclear attacks than were killed by atomic ones.
It is well argued that without these attacks, Japan would have continued their unjust war and many more lives would have been lost, by the Japanese and the Allies, before Japan eventually would have had no choice but to surrender.
I had an older workmate when I worked at BT in the very early 70's who was prisoner of war, held in a camp on the Japanese mainland and he maintained that his life was saved by the nuclear attacks, as the Japs were just about to slaughter him and all his comrades, in cold blood, because they realised that the Allied forces would overrun the camps and they didn't want to leave any evidence.
As to the use of these kind of weapons in the Middle East, there is only one country that might use them, and that is Israel. I cannot conceive the modern Allied forces using them against IS and would want them used at all. 1945 and 2014 are too very different periods in history.
It is well argued that without these attacks, Japan would have continued their unjust war and many more lives would have been lost, by the Japanese and the Allies, before Japan eventually would have had no choice but to surrender.
I had an older workmate when I worked at BT in the very early 70's who was prisoner of war, held in a camp on the Japanese mainland and he maintained that his life was saved by the nuclear attacks, as the Japs were just about to slaughter him and all his comrades, in cold blood, because they realised that the Allied forces would overrun the camps and they didn't want to leave any evidence.
As to the use of these kind of weapons in the Middle East, there is only one country that might use them, and that is Israel. I cannot conceive the modern Allied forces using them against IS and would want them used at all. 1945 and 2014 are too very different periods in history.
"It is well argued that without these attacks, Japan would have continued their unjust war and many more lives would have been lost...".
It is OFTEN argued, Mikey, certainly. In my link Grayling challenges some of the premises assumed by you and the OP. One is that Japan at this stage of the war was NOT prepared to negotiate; the other, assuming that the first was not the case, is that dropping the bomb on the two cities was the ONLY way of convincing an intransigent Japanese government.
It is OFTEN argued, Mikey, certainly. In my link Grayling challenges some of the premises assumed by you and the OP. One is that Japan at this stage of the war was NOT prepared to negotiate; the other, assuming that the first was not the case, is that dropping the bomb on the two cities was the ONLY way of convincing an intransigent Japanese government.
Japan had ample opportunity to stop the deaths of so many of its own people
by surrendering but declined to do so. In fact, it could have saved many, many millions of lives by not going to war in the first place. In 1937, Japan invaded Nanking, and 100,000's of lives of totally innocent Chinese people were lost, in truly horrific circumstances. Read this :::
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There isn't the space on here to go into all the atrocities committed by the Japanese from the mid 1930's to 1945. Their behaviour was entirely unwarranted and unnecessary and the day that they attacked Pearl Harbour, was the start of their eventual downfall. The reasons that the USA used nuclear weapons on Japan are many and complicated, as it was a public declaration to Russia as much as anything else.
But I stand by every word that I say about Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I believe it stopped the war quickly and decisively. Of course I have sympathy for all the Japanese civilians killed in August 1945, but my sympathy lies more with the untold millions of totally innocent people that were killed by the Japanese all over Asia, in their bloodthirsty and totally unjustified attempt to forge a region-wide Japanese Empire. The truly awful thing is that in 2014, 70 years after these events, there is still wide-spread ignorance amongst the ordinary Japanese people that these events ever happened at all. Millions of post-war Japanese children never learned of the atrocities committed by their fathers and grandfathers.
by surrendering but declined to do so. In fact, it could have saved many, many millions of lives by not going to war in the first place. In 1937, Japan invaded Nanking, and 100,000's of lives of totally innocent Chinese people were lost, in truly horrific circumstances. Read this :::
http://
There isn't the space on here to go into all the atrocities committed by the Japanese from the mid 1930's to 1945. Their behaviour was entirely unwarranted and unnecessary and the day that they attacked Pearl Harbour, was the start of their eventual downfall. The reasons that the USA used nuclear weapons on Japan are many and complicated, as it was a public declaration to Russia as much as anything else.
But I stand by every word that I say about Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I believe it stopped the war quickly and decisively. Of course I have sympathy for all the Japanese civilians killed in August 1945, but my sympathy lies more with the untold millions of totally innocent people that were killed by the Japanese all over Asia, in their bloodthirsty and totally unjustified attempt to forge a region-wide Japanese Empire. The truly awful thing is that in 2014, 70 years after these events, there is still wide-spread ignorance amongst the ordinary Japanese people that these events ever happened at all. Millions of post-war Japanese children never learned of the atrocities committed by their fathers and grandfathers.
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