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"excessive Nationalism"
How would YOU describe 'excessive nationalism'?
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For me, Nationalism starts at self-satisfaction, pride, admiration of ourselves and others born inside the same arbitrary geographical boundary, love of the scenery (other than true wilderness, it's the work of people) and of our history.
It becomes excessive as soon as someone starts suggesting we are somehow 'better' than other nations. If this was demonstrably true, we can leave it to those other nations to tell us how great we are.
It becomes excessive as soon as someone starts suggesting we are somehow 'better' than other nations. If this was demonstrably true, we can leave it to those other nations to tell us how great we are.
"...nationalism becomes excessive at the point where it asserts that its culture and values are better than those of others, an attitude which could be construed as elitist and even fascist."
What a strange statement
! I most certainly think that British culture and values, in general, are better than many others. Not quite so good as some, but certainly better than most. There is nothing "elitist" in striving to be the best and believing that in some respects you are. As for such an opinion being fascist words fail me. A few characteristics of a generally accepted description of fascism:
- the veneration of the state
- a devotion to a strong leader
- an emphasis on ultranationalism and militarism.
- views political violence, war, and imperialism as a means to achieve national rejuvenation
- it asserts that stronger nations have the right to expand their territory by displacing weaker nations
Do you really think that believing your country has a higher standard of culture and values puts you in the same category as people who subscribe to the above? As I said, I believe British culture and values to be superior to many others, but I certainly do not have the fascist tendencies I mention.
What a strange statement
! I most certainly think that British culture and values, in general, are better than many others. Not quite so good as some, but certainly better than most. There is nothing "elitist" in striving to be the best and believing that in some respects you are. As for such an opinion being fascist words fail me. A few characteristics of a generally accepted description of fascism:
- the veneration of the state
- a devotion to a strong leader
- an emphasis on ultranationalism and militarism.
- views political violence, war, and imperialism as a means to achieve national rejuvenation
- it asserts that stronger nations have the right to expand their territory by displacing weaker nations
Do you really think that believing your country has a higher standard of culture and values puts you in the same category as people who subscribe to the above? As I said, I believe British culture and values to be superior to many others, but I certainly do not have the fascist tendencies I mention.
@NJ
//- the veneration of the state //
Everyone of us knows someone who loved "Thatcher's Britain"
// - a devotion to a strong leader //
Such as Margaret Thatcher?
//- an emphasis on ultranationalism and militarism. //
fortunately rare in Britain. We all dread being thought of as little Hitlers.
// - views political violence, war, and imperialism as a means to achieve national rejuvenation //
Hmm. I think that's what Pinochet was trying to achieve - taking the Falklands as a distraction from the complete shambles at home.
//- it asserts that stronger nations have the right to expand their territory by displacing weaker nations //
Hitler is probably on film saying stuff like this. We are not privy to what is said among the upper echelons of our society. Not perfect but at least they aren't shouting it from a pulpit.
//- the veneration of the state //
Everyone of us knows someone who loved "Thatcher's Britain"
// - a devotion to a strong leader //
Such as Margaret Thatcher?
//- an emphasis on ultranationalism and militarism. //
fortunately rare in Britain. We all dread being thought of as little Hitlers.
// - views political violence, war, and imperialism as a means to achieve national rejuvenation //
Hmm. I think that's what Pinochet was trying to achieve - taking the Falklands as a distraction from the complete shambles at home.
//- it asserts that stronger nations have the right to expand their territory by displacing weaker nations //
Hitler is probably on film saying stuff like this. We are not privy to what is said among the upper echelons of our society. Not perfect but at least they aren't shouting it from a pulpit.
"Personally, I think excessive nationalism defined as a love of one's country which overwhelming to the extent that you believe all others to be inferior beings. " that also describes religion SP
Hypo that goes for most PMs Hypo, not sure why you singled out TGL. Oh and it was Galtieri, Pinochet was Chilean leader.
Hypo that goes for most PMs Hypo, not sure why you singled out TGL. Oh and it was Galtieri, Pinochet was Chilean leader.
ToraTT, not sure why: here it is without the AB compulsory embedding in case it does not work below, just delete obvious gaps:
https: // www .youtube. com/watch ?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw
https: // www .youtube. com/watch ?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw
A colleague of mine was micro-nationalistic. He told me that he thought that surrey was 'the most beautiful county in Britain, it had everything'. I must say that considering it's soaring snow covered peaks, majestic rivers and foam lashed cliffs, he had a point, not a very strong one but a point....of sorts.
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