"it Is Because I Am A Black Male"

[anotheoldgit]

So that is enough to prevent these violent savages from going to jail is it?

Our justice system is at times a complete joke.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2562432/Teenager-blamed-attacks-random-strangers-young-black-male-spared-jail.html

/// When he put his bag down next to 49-year-old Hamadi Nebili, the passenger looked up from his newspaper. ///

/// Samuels stared at Mr Nebili and said: ‘Are you looking? Are you gay?’ ///

/// He then unloaded a barrage of punches at the terrified passenger, leaving him with serious head wounds which required stitches. ///

[anotheoldgit]

sandyRoe

/// They've had a brush with the law and were fortunate with their judge. With any luck they won't be troubling the courts again. If they had been sent to prison it's likely they might have fallen into a lifetime of crime.///

So you feel we should all be thankful for that do you?

[Baldric]

///With any luck they won't be troubling the courts again. If they had been sent to prison it's likely they might have fallen into a lifetime of crime///

You cannot be serious

[Nibble]

That's ridiculous, I hope there is an outcry about this sentencing. Pathetic.

[pixie373]

Nothing is ever "out of character" unless you were mentally ill, which would be a different case.

[LazyGun]

I am glad to see the judge rejected the rather lame defence offered

"‘I’ve been told and reject the notion that your actions (Samuels) were due to what you believed to be others’ perception of yourself as a young black male"

But I do think she was unduly lenient, given the previous attack, and the group attack. I hate hearing about this sort of thuggishness, and such leniency does tend to send out the wrong message, I think.

[ludwig]

'Is it because I is black?'

Classic.

[belrec]

Perhaps a spell of community service would have been more appropriate here.

[FredPuli43]

Since the judge expressly said the exact opposite to your premiss, AOG, what is the point you are trying to make?

[quizzkid]

Sorry sandyroe but saying that if they went to prison they could fall into a life time of crime is totally wrong in my opinion. They did the crime so they should pay by going into prison. What about the poor victims? What if they meet these people on the street again? How are they going to feel? What if it was a white youth punching a black man would the same had happened? I don't care what colour people are if you do this disgusting thing to another human or animal you should go to prison.

[anotheoldgit]

FredPuli43

/// Since the judge expressly said the exact opposite to your premiss, AOG, what is the point you are trying to make? ///

That the judge came to the exact opposite decision to most other's, that is the point that I and others are making.

[FredPuli43]

AOG, you really can't get away with suggesting that these people avoided immediate jail because they were black , when the judge said nothing of the kind, but actually rejected that proposition. Why mention the colour at all, unless that is what you hastily assumed, wrongly, was the reason for the sentencing?

And for what reason do you say now that the judge came to the exact opposite decision to most others'? Most others of which people? Certainly not of other judges. The sentencing remarks were 'textbook' in their clarity

[sp1814]

AOG

You wrote:

"So that is enough to prevent these violent savages from going to jail is it?

Our justice system is at times a complete joke".

I see what FredPuli43 means...it wasn't enough to prevent them from going to jail.

It was specifically rejected by the trial judge.

Was this simply an oversight on your part?

I ask, because I posted the judge's summary earlier (from the Evening Standard), and it was laid out there too.

[anotheoldgit]

FredPuli43

/// AOG, you really can't get away with suggesting that these people avoided immediate jail because they were black , when the judge said nothing of the kind, but actually rejected that proposition. Why mention the colour at all, unless that is what you hastily assumed, wrongly, was the reason for the sentencing? ///

And where pray did I ever say that they escaped prison because they were black, that was the feeble excuse coming from the thug's mouth alone, the colour of his skin was given by him as his defence.

Granted the judge dismissed this and rightly so, but there was no reason for these thugs to escape jail, a previous violent attack by one, and a gang attack on one innocent passenger by him and his mates.

You have not said that just because such crimes are committed by some who have committed no previous identical crimes, and they happen to come from a decent background who can afford to hand out cash as compensation to their victims, then these are the ones who should escape imprisonment?

/// And for what reason do you say now that the judge came to the exact opposite decision to most others? Most others of which people?? ///

The general public, not a group of advantaged and out of touch with reality individuals, most who haven't had much experience of real life.

I would be grateful if you now apologise for making the false allegation that you have personally attached to me.

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

/// You wrote: ///

//// "So that is enough to prevent these violent savages from going to jail is it? ///

/// Our justice system is at times a complete joke". ///

I can see your point sp1814, but these were two different sentences and statements.

The first was addressing the headline, made by the person himself, and not by myself.

I was already aware that the judge had dismissed this excuse.

The second statement was addressing the fact that the group escaped jail.

I do hope that clears matters up.

[sp1814]

AOG

Oh...I see,

[anotheoldgit]

FredPuli43

Still waiting for an apology.

[sp1814]

In fairness to FredPauli43, reading your question:

"it Is Because I Am A Black Male"

So that is enough to prevent these violent savages from going to jail is it?

Our justice system is at times a complete joke.

I think many people would believe that you meant that the justice system is a joke because the statement "it Is Because I Am A Black Male" is followed by 'so that is enough..."

There's no way that anyone would know what "Our justice system is at times a complete joke." referred to their suspended sentence, rather than the sentence directly preceding it.

[anotheoldgit]

Sp1814

I have already pointed out where you are getting confused, no need for me to explain further except to say not giving a gang of thugs, who are not slow to violently attack innocent members of the community for no reason at all a non custody sentence, is just a joke hence my remark.

What if they came from a deprived area and could afford to compensate their victims, do you think that the judgment would have been the same?

[dunnitall]

I think pixie sums it up at 12:08 and I have to agree.

[sp1814]

AOG

Hang on a second.

I was being more than polite. I was not confused. There is absolutely no way anyone could have known that you were referring to the criminal justice system in general when you wrote:

"So that is enough to prevent these violent savages from going to jail is it?

Our justice system is at times a complete joke."

How on earth could we know that you'd switched from one subject to another?

Your statement:

"I have already pointed out where you are getting confused" is rather cheeky in this context.