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Scottish Independence
What unbelievable scaremongering by that numpty Ed Milliband today when he suggested that if Scotland were independent a Scottish woman who becomes ill in Liverpool would not be treated because she was a foreigner. Would a French woman be treated, or a German woman or an English woman becoming ill in Glasgow? This is absolutely the deepest of the depths to which political spin can plumb. Which right thinking citizen could possibly be swayed by such arrant nonsense?
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Agree totally with Baz's posts.
Scotsmen in Scotland aer great but come down here and they whinge and whine about how good scotland is and how crap england is; but still live here.
Scotsmen are like piles, always much better when they go back up again.
As for Milliband, isnt he correct? Why is everyone assuming Scotland would get automatic entry to teh EU? Whilst they are not in the EU - no benefit.
And when we leave the EU if they have weaseled in then no benefit again !
Scotsmen in Scotland aer great but come down here and they whinge and whine about how good scotland is and how crap england is; but still live here.
Scotsmen are like piles, always much better when they go back up again.
As for Milliband, isnt he correct? Why is everyone assuming Scotland would get automatic entry to teh EU? Whilst they are not in the EU - no benefit.
And when we leave the EU if they have weaseled in then no benefit again !
The argument about whether the whole of the UK should be entitled to have a say on Scottish independence is being viewed from the wrong angle.
Should a member of a club wish to leave, of course the other members have no right to force him to remain. However, should the club wish to expel a member then all the members should be consulted. With Scottish independence it is the first scenario that is being determined (the member wishing to leave). However, since some elements in Scotland have shown such disdain for the UK it might be time to ask the rest of the country whether they really want the Scots to remain. So I would suggest that , at the same time the Scots vote whether they want to leave the Union, all of the Union should be asked if they want the Scots to retain their membership.
Of course it is slightly more complex than that because Scotland is not an independent nation state and has no more right to demand independence than does Cornwall or Liverpool. But the two questions (and the potential electorate) are completely different.
Should a member of a club wish to leave, of course the other members have no right to force him to remain. However, should the club wish to expel a member then all the members should be consulted. With Scottish independence it is the first scenario that is being determined (the member wishing to leave). However, since some elements in Scotland have shown such disdain for the UK it might be time to ask the rest of the country whether they really want the Scots to remain. So I would suggest that , at the same time the Scots vote whether they want to leave the Union, all of the Union should be asked if they want the Scots to retain their membership.
Of course it is slightly more complex than that because Scotland is not an independent nation state and has no more right to demand independence than does Cornwall or Liverpool. But the two questions (and the potential electorate) are completely different.
@NJ Well, you can hold your referendum of the rest of the "club" on whether to boot Scotland out - for being boorish, or for having the temerity to question whether they might be better outwith the club no less!, but I doubt you would win that one either.
What Scotland are doing is no different to what you Euro-sceptics want regarding the UK membership of Europe - a referendum on independence. Difficult to see how anyone can complain about it really.
What Scotland are doing is no different to what you Euro-sceptics want regarding the UK membership of Europe - a referendum on independence. Difficult to see how anyone can complain about it really.
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The oil and gas in the English part...ie the southern North Sea...are dwindling fast, whereas the Scottish part to the north is where new discoveries are still being made. Cameron was up in Aberdeen a few months ago 'celebrating' one.
Note that England, having no coastline abutting it, would have no element whatsoever of the North Atlantic region.
The oil and gas in the English part...ie the southern North Sea...are dwindling fast, whereas the Scottish part to the north is where new discoveries are still being made. Cameron was up in Aberdeen a few months ago 'celebrating' one.
Note that England, having no coastline abutting it, would have no element whatsoever of the North Atlantic region.
NewJudge is pontificating on something of which he has an obviously limited grasp of the historical context.
Scotland (as an independent nation state) joined with England in 1707 to form the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. When this entity joined the European Union all citizens of Scotland became citizens of Europe.
When independence is regained in 2016 the United Kingdom will cease to exist.
Those that argue that Scotland would need to re apply to join the EU, or UN or the Commonwealth etc should surely apply the same logic to the rump left behind, viz the United Kingdom of England Wales and Northern Ireland (although Wales is a principality and Northern Ireland is a province) and insist that they too must reapply for membership of these illustrious bodies. To compare Scotland with Cornwall or Liverpool is fatuous nonsense. Get yourself a history book.
Scotland (as an independent nation state) joined with England in 1707 to form the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. When this entity joined the European Union all citizens of Scotland became citizens of Europe.
When independence is regained in 2016 the United Kingdom will cease to exist.
Those that argue that Scotland would need to re apply to join the EU, or UN or the Commonwealth etc should surely apply the same logic to the rump left behind, viz the United Kingdom of England Wales and Northern Ireland (although Wales is a principality and Northern Ireland is a province) and insist that they too must reapply for membership of these illustrious bodies. To compare Scotland with Cornwall or Liverpool is fatuous nonsense. Get yourself a history book.
much more complex than i can type, but it was not just the wealthy who got involved.
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