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Tora - "It's pretty well akin to the gloating over the death of our greatest peace time leader Andy so not sure why you find it distasteful, it seemed to be ok a few months ago."

Sorry, you have lost me there - can you explain your point a little further please?
of course he is a coward, did you really expect anything else from this barely human scumbag?
Ending his life by his own hand makes him what he has always been - a control freak, controlling to the end.
There's nothing tragic about his life ending, a bigger tragedy would have been for him to be funded for recreation, education and health for the rest of his life. He'd lost everything anyway so would have been little punishment for him being kept inside where he would have inevitably made a circle of 'friends' and managed to adapt to the new situation and make the most out of the life he had left. It's a shame he was alone in his cell without any witnesses to cheer his departure
ck1 - the point about providing health care for prisoners is to enable them to serve their sentences with a reasonable degree of health.

As for 'recreation', Castro would probably be exercised alone for one hour out of twenty-four.

In terms of making friends, he would have probably been kept in solitary confinement for his own protection - so his sentence would not be as rosy as you would seem to suggest.

As for 'cheering his demise' - that helps no-one, no-one at all.
Andy, You're absolutely right, the healthcare is a luxury he wouldn't have had outside of prison though, if he gets sick inside why should he be more entitled to treatment that he wouldn't have had at home? I accept the solitary etc but compared to the terror he inflicted on his victims this would have been a relative life of luxury, even his one hour of exercise would have been opportunity to be outside, probably smoke, maybe use a gym

I expect there would have been a number of people that, had he been executed through the death sentence, would have been at the front row to watch his demise
ck - I engage in this debate on a regular basis with AB'ers, and sometimes get castigated as a wimpy leftie by some of our more exciteable colleagues.

My stance on this type of issue is this -

Laws make us civilised, they allow for considered judgements and punishments that exclude self-righteous anger and thirst for revenge.

There is no point in getting angry about the fact that Castro has effectively escaped justice - it has happened, and nothing can be done about it.

The notion that some people would cheer his death is, in my view, an 'armchair' view - I think watching another human being die, no matter how deserving that death may be - would be far less of a gleeful occasion that some imagine.

So I step outside the 'I'd have pulled the switch myself ...' position, because I believe it is fuelled by self-righteous anger, and that no-one, if it came to it, could actually do that job.

To gnash your teeth and wail about Castro is only going to hurt your head, much better to concentrate on thinking about those he has left behind, who must try and come to terms with what has happened to them.
Absolutely agree Andy, I am not sure whether I would be able to flick the switch myself, from an armchair stance I think I probably would, had it of been my daughter that he had held captive.

Laws in themselves don't make us civilised, if they did, things like this wouldn't happen. Yes they do represent a common consensus on what is considered an appropriate response / punishment for a certain crime but there is a very large scale of opinion on whether these are all appropriate. The concept of having laws is a step towards an ideal but does not satisfy everybody.

I don't think Castro has necessarily escaped justice, I think a quickly executed death penalty would have been much more appropriate for him so consider the taking of his own life to be a better outcome
ck1 - thanks for your respone to my post.

I am inclined to the view that laws make us civilised in the sense that we have a justice system - flawed though it is - that allows for appropriate punishments that encompass our society, and allow us as much freedom and protection as can reasonably be expcted in a far-from-perfect world.

My view on Castro is that he died as he lived - as a controlling individual who had the final say on his death - cheating the world of the perceived justice of a death sentence.

I do not believe in the death penalty - but I can fully understand its attraction for the world at large for individuals such as this.

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