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Was This Person Unduly Treated By Our Security People?.
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Now let's see if this is more pleasing to the pallet, it should be taking into account that it circles round, the 'unlawful' arrest of a Guardian journalist's partner, by the dreaded British police, most likely at the request of US National Security Agency and wait a minute Mr Miranda also happens to be Brazilian, so we also have the racist element thrown in.
Yes this should start off a debate surely.
Now let's see if this is more pleasing to the pallet, it should be taking into account that it circles round, the 'unlawful' arrest of a Guardian journalist's partner, by the dreaded British police, most likely at the request of US National Security Agency and wait a minute Mr Miranda also happens to be Brazilian, so we also have the racist element thrown in.
Yes this should start off a debate surely.
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Am I alone in detecting a bit of pack mentality developing when it comes to answering the questions asked by Mr Git? The offhand, pissy attitude in some replies is starting to get a bit wearying.
12:15 Mon 19th Aug 2013
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Unfortunately, the latest terrorism law is in distinguished company, if that's the right adjective. The Official Secrets Act and the Defence of the Realm Act are two others. All were passed in a time of national emergency or perceived emergency, all were not properly considered being passed, and all had unforeseen, sometimes absurd, consequences when put into practice by those entrusted to carry them out.
If you are a Fed (federal employee) you can ask (ie instruct) a policeman to arrest someone and apparently they have to.
We dont have Feds in this country BUT
they seem to have rung up the friendly plodz at Thiefrow [oops a nickname relating to the corruption that plagued Heathrow thirty y ago] and said Arrest X - and they seem not to have said Certainly Sir what do we charge him with ? they just cocked their tommy guns and went rat a tat tat - sorry that was another Brazilian - they said to this Brazilian, you're f+ing nicked mate and the Sarge knows what it is for
and yes I dont think people should be doing that
and I dont think the police should be following foreign orders....
but who am I to lay down the law on all this ?
We dont have Feds in this country BUT
they seem to have rung up the friendly plodz at Thiefrow [oops a nickname relating to the corruption that plagued Heathrow thirty y ago] and said Arrest X - and they seem not to have said Certainly Sir what do we charge him with ? they just cocked their tommy guns and went rat a tat tat - sorry that was another Brazilian - they said to this Brazilian, you're f+ing nicked mate and the Sarge knows what it is for
and yes I dont think people should be doing that
and I dont think the police should be following foreign orders....
but who am I to lay down the law on all this ?
It now turns out he was carrying encrypted files from Snowden. And his detention and confiscation of his possessions was orchestrated long before he arrived at Heathrow. The Police and Special Branch knew exactly what they were looking for. We have no idea what the authorities have siezed, but it is highly unlikely it was related to or aiding terrorism, under which laws and pretext he was detained.
So we certainly have a miss use of the law or an abuse of power. The guilty party in the NSA story was the US Government, and this detention and taking of equipment only aids them really. So it would appear we are still obeying our masters across the pond.
So we certainly have a miss use of the law or an abuse of power. The guilty party in the NSA story was the US Government, and this detention and taking of equipment only aids them really. So it would appear we are still obeying our masters across the pond.
I think we have to remember that GCHQ appears to have been implicated up to their eyes in the illegal activities of the NSA
Personally I think we can probably take the American's word that this was not done on their behest - I suspect that a certain Cheltenham organisation is a little worried that what they knew and perhaps even what their involvement was could lead to an investigation and possibly even disciplinary action or charges.
They would have been very keen to ensure no additional revelations came to light
Personally I think we can probably take the American's word that this was not done on their behest - I suspect that a certain Cheltenham organisation is a little worried that what they knew and perhaps even what their involvement was could lead to an investigation and possibly even disciplinary action or charges.
They would have been very keen to ensure no additional revelations came to light
AOG there are quite a few 15 y o on this site - mentally that is !
which one have you in mind?
I think like all of us, they have to take the benefit along with the burden if they clock on here.
and yes it looks as tho they wanted to get files off of the laptop
and no I dont think they should be doing this at American behest
for a start it makes us look like monkeys dancing to an organ grinder's tune (the US that is) -
yeah..... daily mail reading monkeys.....
which one have you in mind?
I think like all of us, they have to take the benefit along with the burden if they clock on here.
and yes it looks as tho they wanted to get files off of the laptop
and no I dont think they should be doing this at American behest
for a start it makes us look like monkeys dancing to an organ grinder's tune (the US that is) -
yeah..... daily mail reading monkeys.....
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