Radicalised Brits Fighting With The Syrian Rebels.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2313988/Radicalised-Brits-fighting-Syrian-rebels-pose-threat-return-home-EU-security-chief-warns.html

Would these same radicalised Brits be as quick to fight on behalf of the country that has educated them, sheltered them and protected them?

And on their return, will these same 'Brits' create a threat for the rest of us?

[emmie]

Young, how can any one know that, bring them back to civvy street, they aren't fully trained British soldiers, they are armed rebels, not necessarily disciplined, in much the way an army has to be. So they come back to the UK, then what, get on with their schooling, uni, lives, seems a rather strange scenario.

[Gromit]

// wait till Turkey follows the same route. //

Turkey is fiercely secular. The army have a nasty habit of cracking down on any attempts at religious interference in the state. The Turkish Constitution does not recognise or promote Islam as the county's official religion.

[Brenden]

I think Jordan are having a few problems as well.

[emmie]

let us not bring back national service, that would a terrible mistake, no one wanted it back then, least of all now. You think that by sticking a young British born Afghan, Somalian, Pakistani, lad in the British Army he will then become a proud Brit, ready to serve, do his duty, come off it.
I can't see them agreeing to national service, not at any point, and i believe that point was made at the time of my post... they wouldn't join up..

[emmie]

Gromit, Turkey is 75 percent Muslim, it is not secular.

[Gromit]

em10

Look up what secular means. And it is 99% muslim.

[FredPuli43]

Turkey is 75 per cent Muslim and it is secular. Religion has no influence in its politics or government.

[anotheoldgit]

Gromit

/// You are aware that muslim countries fight other muslim countries aren't you? ///

Most aware, but aren't these actual sectarian conflicts ie Sunni and Shiite?

/// Would you really expect Muslims to join the army and get involved with that just because Blair was up Bush's poodle? ///

/// Didn't the majority of Iraqi Muslims join with us to free their country of a sadistic dictator? ///

But just the same as all these countries, as soon as their own problems at the time had been solved with our help, they couldn't wait to rid their country of those who had risked their lives, and some who gave their lives, in the quest for them to achieve their freedom?

[Gromit]

// they couldn't wait to rid their country of those who had risked their lives //

We invaded their sovereign territory. No one asked us to go in, least of all the Iraqi and Afghanistan peoples. And we were still there 10 years later. Of course they wanted us to go.

[emmie]

interesting reading, including the links.

http://www.opendemocracy.net/firdevs-robinson/turkey%E2%80%99s-unruly-rule-of-law

[emmie]

i agree we shouldn't have gone there, nor should we interfere in any of these conflicts. not even arming rebels in syria.

[emmie]

gromit, by the way, i know what patronising means, you do it a lot.

[Gromit]

Turkey has a lot of problems, especially with Human Rights, but the Muslim brotherhood isn't one of them. It is politically a very stable country. The military wrote the Constitution in 1982 and specifically enchained secularism and no official religion. The army guards the Constitution very closely.

[anotheoldgit]

FredPuli43

Something could easily be done, ban the freedom of travel to all but necessary movement, between the two countries for starters.

Have you seen any recent Thomas Cook tours of Syria advertised?

/// "It's no good being a hand-wringing rightie you know". ///

Why did you find it necessary to add this, are you not adult enough to conduct a debate, without the need to be offensive?

[Gromit]

Apologies em10.

[anotheoldgit]

/// We invaded their sovereign territory. No one asked us to go in, least of all the Iraqi and Afghanistan peoples. And we were still there 10 years later. Of course they wanted us to go. ///

They did want us there in the first place.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,83686,00.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,83580,00.html

/// One Iraqi was asked by Sky News reporter David Chater what the coalition presence means for him. ///

/// "It's safety for me ... they don't hurt anyone," he said. "All the people here is happy -- I see happy." ///

/// "We were nearly mobbed by people trying to shake our hands," said Maj. Andy Milburn of the 7th Marines. ///

/// By then a few more people had begun to come out. A little girl stretched up her arm to touch one of the Marines. ///

/// A small boy sat on his father's shoulders to get a better view. ///

/// I shook hands with a Marine who had a dandelion flower in his combat webbing, a gift from a grateful Iraqi. ///

/// Another man grabbed the satellite phone out of my hand to shout to the live studio in London that he had been a political prisoner for ten years. ///

/// "Thank you, America, thank you," he said. Others just bellowed: "Saddam finished" or "Saddam donkey". ///

/// In remarkably similar terms one man, a Sunni, and another, a Shia, both thanked the US for getting rid of Saddam, but warned the Americans not to stay too long. ///

Yes I was right in the first place we had done their work for them, and then they wanted us gone, that's gratitude for you.

[sp1814]

AOG

People just don't respect the white man enough, eh?

It must really tick you off.

[Gromit]

AOG, You do know that Fox News is a joke?

http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/foxnews/a/foxnewsjokes.htm

[sp1814]

Why is 'Brits' in quotes in your question?

[FredPuli43]

Thought "hand-wringing rightie" was a nice twist on "hand-wringing leftie". Just a little humour, aog. I am surprised that a man of your record, experience and calibre even begins to take offence at such a thing or sees any offence in it. Never thought of you as a humourless, shrinking violet trembling at every word (and I'll try not to) As it happens you have now provided an answer, as you see it, to the problem.