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And if such drugs are classed as illegal how can they suddenly become legal in only certain locations such as Brighton, which is already called the Gay centre of Britain?
And if such drugs are classed as illegal how can they suddenly become legal in only certain locations such as Brighton, which is already called the Gay centre of Britain?
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You must admit that AOG gets attacked on a daily basis regardless of what he posts. If he said it was Thursday,
17:49 Thu 18th Apr 2013
"But surely you are not naive enough to believe that the young would not be persuaded to experiment in drug taking"
Drugs are widely available as is, if you want them. Furthermore, the drugs that are available tend to be cut with all kinds of vile things rather than in their purest form.
The present system is not working.
Drugs are widely available as is, if you want them. Furthermore, the drugs that are available tend to be cut with all kinds of vile things rather than in their purest form.
The present system is not working.
@AoG - Well I would question whether my view is naive.
You have confirmed that you would not take drugs were they made legal. So lets alter the question - were you young, in your teens, would you?
And truthfully - those kids who want to experiment with drugs do it now - I do not believe that if we were to legalise or liberalise them that you would see a greater influx of those who would wish to experiment or become hooked.
As a teen, I myself experimented with, well, pretty much everything- as all teenagers do ,and that includes drugs, which, despite the fact that they were illegal, were easily accessible. Despite this, i did not become an addict - not because I could not access the drugs, but because i did not want to.
And this same logic applies to the vast majority of teenagers even in this day and age, i believe.
Laws are not and should not be considered immutable, inviolate. If some laws do not work, as pronibition laws patently do not, encouraging even greater liiegalities such as wholesale murder and enriching a few, then we need to look at alternatives.
Those youngsters that want to experiment with drugs already do so - Those that have no interest are not suddenly going to become interested if the law were to change.
You have confirmed that you would not take drugs were they made legal. So lets alter the question - were you young, in your teens, would you?
And truthfully - those kids who want to experiment with drugs do it now - I do not believe that if we were to legalise or liberalise them that you would see a greater influx of those who would wish to experiment or become hooked.
As a teen, I myself experimented with, well, pretty much everything- as all teenagers do ,and that includes drugs, which, despite the fact that they were illegal, were easily accessible. Despite this, i did not become an addict - not because I could not access the drugs, but because i did not want to.
And this same logic applies to the vast majority of teenagers even in this day and age, i believe.
Laws are not and should not be considered immutable, inviolate. If some laws do not work, as pronibition laws patently do not, encouraging even greater liiegalities such as wholesale murder and enriching a few, then we need to look at alternatives.
Those youngsters that want to experiment with drugs already do so - Those that have no interest are not suddenly going to become interested if the law were to change.
There is a lot of scope for protecting against some of the objections raised here.
Encouraging experimentation - well it could be only made available to registerred adicts - you can't walk in off the street today and demand methadone I don't see why this would be any different.
Cost? - well we already pay 400 million in drug rehabilitation programs that have limited effectiveness - I'm pretty certain this would come out of existing budgets and therefore be cost neutral
Encouraging experimentation - well it could be only made available to registerred adicts - you can't walk in off the street today and demand methadone I don't see why this would be any different.
Cost? - well we already pay 400 million in drug rehabilitation programs that have limited effectiveness - I'm pretty certain this would come out of existing budgets and therefore be cost neutral
@AoG where is your evidence that there is the eager horde of wildly irresponsible teenage consumers, only constrained from experimenting and using drugs simply because they are illegal?
Anyway, thats an ongoing debate - it is not really relevant to this particular initiative in Brighton.
We have to look at alternative solutions - It is no good wringing our hands and blaming the problems on a lack of moral fibre amongst the youth of today. And if we have any sense, we will look at radical solutions - one that might save huge resource costs to the taxpayer and the police, and which might even benefit the exchequer....
Anyway, thats an ongoing debate - it is not really relevant to this particular initiative in Brighton.
We have to look at alternative solutions - It is no good wringing our hands and blaming the problems on a lack of moral fibre amongst the youth of today. And if we have any sense, we will look at radical solutions - one that might save huge resource costs to the taxpayer and the police, and which might even benefit the exchequer....
the drug takers of the 60's are now getting on a bit, many i suspect would consider what they were doing at the time as fun, experimental, and so forth. With one relative a drug addict, and most of the friends she hung out with either dead or with life long habits, i can't say i much in favour of recreational drugs. But i would say that having witnessed drug users on the streets, either smoking marijuana, or shooting up, would prefer they had a centre or someplace they can go.
Lazy-Gun
/// As a teen, I myself experimented with, well, pretty much everything- as all teenagers do ,and that includes drugs, which, despite the fact that they were illegal, were easily accessible. ///
Well I must disagree with you yet again.
Unlike you I never did "experiment with well much everything" perhaps that is the reason I often say "things were much better in the past" and "it never happened in my day"
But I suppose I have now set off the usual suspects, partaking in Google searches, their History books for examples of China Town's opium dens, or even quoting Sherlock Holmes addiction, whilst ignoring the fact that he was a fictional character.
/// As a teen, I myself experimented with, well, pretty much everything- as all teenagers do ,and that includes drugs, which, despite the fact that they were illegal, were easily accessible. ///
Well I must disagree with you yet again.
Unlike you I never did "experiment with well much everything" perhaps that is the reason I often say "things were much better in the past" and "it never happened in my day"
But I suppose I have now set off the usual suspects, partaking in Google searches, their History books for examples of China Town's opium dens, or even quoting Sherlock Holmes addiction, whilst ignoring the fact that he was a fictional character.
@AoG No, but you are once again trying to assert your moral superiority over others here, which is pretty distasteful.You refuse, as usual, to participate in any kind of constructive debate, or even to offer evidence to support your views- Quite the contrary in fact -you sneer at any evidence that contradicts your own narrow world view, made up of personal anecdote and rose-tinted spectacles. From your posts here, we can only conclude that your are the walking embodiment of the Daily Mail - a walking,talking, apoplectic fit....
You have no answer to the problem, which will not go away however you might bury you head in the sand and wish for it. Teenagers or there equivalent from pretty much every generation since we have had some time for recreation have pushed boundaries and legal limits. This is not going to change.
The fact that you claim not to have experimented kind of proves my point, not yours. Your worldview, based upon these and your other posts, seems to rest upon the assumption that there is a generational decrease in "moral fibre" and an inevitable, inexorable slide into feral behaviour, lmost certainly spearheaded by those crafty immigrants, subverting Britishness by stealth...
You have no answer to the problem, which will not go away however you might bury you head in the sand and wish for it. Teenagers or there equivalent from pretty much every generation since we have had some time for recreation have pushed boundaries and legal limits. This is not going to change.
The fact that you claim not to have experimented kind of proves my point, not yours. Your worldview, based upon these and your other posts, seems to rest upon the assumption that there is a generational decrease in "moral fibre" and an inevitable, inexorable slide into feral behaviour, lmost certainly spearheaded by those crafty immigrants, subverting Britishness by stealth...
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