Ridding The World Of Terrorism - Can Cameron Handle It?

[pdq1]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21248277

The world would be a safer place without terrorism no doubt. But a report recently says there are over 1,000,000 militant Muslims and their offshoots spread throughout the world. We have seen what terror they can cause in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen and now a major slice of North Africa. Now that Obama is taking a back seat this void is led by Cameron. Does he deserve our encouragement?

[jno]

naomi, who on earth said anything about making decisions on behalf of your country?

Thousands of Britons fought for "their country" in WW2 without doing this. The only decision some of them made will have been to enlist.

You can fight for your country without owning it, and so can Taliban.

[Khandro]

jno //The Taliban will fight for "their country" just as Cameron, or any other Briton, would fight for theirs. It doesn't have to mean they own it.//
The Taliban are a violent minority group of terrorists, ousted in 2001, wishing to rule 'their' country by force. Any attempt at a free and fair election will be sabotaged by them. They wish to oppress and rule by force.
Nothing to do with the governing of the United Kingdom.

[jno]

they're still fighting for it, Khandro, like it or not.

[keyplus90]

Without reading other posts. This was always expected and George Bush and Blair were warned by many in the world about that. In short American created a myth of Al Qaeeda and a person who was their own agent aka Osama Bin Laden to give them reasons to invade few countries to occupy oil and other resources. Osama Bin Laden had always been in USA control (whether they agree or not as yet). Others who misunderstood Osama Bin Laden as a hero who stood against the West would not be known to USA and would not be in their control either. But American never understood that and British just echoed whatever Americans believed or said. Joke is that they still are unable to understand that and according to USA they have diminished Al Qaeeda. And the reality is that they are negotiating safe route to get out of Afghanistan. Taliban leaders who once were most wanted are now being released so that American could have a dialogue with them.

Solution to the problem is very easy but that cannot be done for few politician reason and parties involved. Because world that can do something can never treat two parties equally. That is Palestine and Israel. And that double standard give some people reasons to believe that people do not give a damn about one and would do anything for the other. That, no way justifies terrorism but do justify mistrust. And few people go beyond that.

I have only three suggestions to get rid of terrorism.

1 - West should not try implementing their own life style on other countries.

2 - Someone needs to control CIA (USA) and their weapon business.

[jno]

what's the third one, Keyplus?

[anotheoldgit]

micovwar

/// I personally do not like the way our government/other governments loosely use the word "Terrorism" ..what is a terrorist? ///

What is terrorism you ask?

Well I class terrorism as having accepted some foreign persons into our country, looked after them as our own, and in turn educated their off-springs, some who for reasons of their faith choose to carry out mass murder on the buses and trains of our capital, yes this can be safely described as terrorism.

You also asked,

/// If you were stopped in the street by some scumbag demanding you hand over you wallet,what would you do. ///

Well let me turn that scenario on it's head and ask, if you were walking down the street and you saw some 'scumbag' wrestling someone over their wallet, would you walk on by, or take the necessary action against this 'scumbag'?

I think you will see where I am coming from.

[micovwar]

Do you think Cameron would die for his country...personally go to war for his country..send his kids to war for his country??

I dont..i think He an T.Blair and many other blood thirsty scumbag politicians/presidents, whatever ..would be sharing an underground palace safe in the thought that whilst they're families are fine...and wey're all wonderfully fluffed.

When it comes down to it they are all hypocrite spineless dictators.

[jno]

aog, I didn't think you liked us intervening militarily in other countries? Should we be, for indtance, in North Korea? Rather worse than Saddam's Iraq, though they do seem to have some nuclear capability, which could make things messy.

http://civilliberty.about.com/od/internationalhumanrights/p/northkorea101.htm

[anotheoldgit]

jno

The Taliban is to Afghanistan as the Mafia is to Italy.

Neither own these countries.

[anotheoldgit]

jno

/// they're still fighting for it, Khandro, like it or not. ///

They are not fighting for their country, they are fighting to rule it, there is a difference.

[naomi24]

jno, //who on earth said anything about making decisions on behalf of your country?//

Isn’t this what the Taliban et al are doing when they decide to ‘fight for their country’ without authorised leadership?

//Thousands of Britons fought for "their country" in WW2 without doing this.//

See above.

[Zeuhl]

/They are not fighting for their country, they are fighting to rule it/

That seems like a dubious distinction

So what aog is saying is that, for example the people who fought 'for' this country 1939-45 did not do so to retain 'rule' over it?

Very dubious indeed

[micovwar]

Thousands of Britons fight for their country now and look at how they're repaid,some die ,some come back wishing they had died, but all get their benefits reduced or stopped completely after paying such a high price.
I think we would all agree they Are the heroes..why should politicians get all the benefits for playing god..do you see those incompetent pigs making any sacrifices,no they only sacrifice life.

[Khandro]

^^//Very dubious indeed// I refer, of course, to your post.

[Zeuhl]

If the distinction is one of legitimacy, who should 'authorise' the Taliban?

The Khazai Regime and its foreign backers is hardly a shining light of legitimacy

[anotheoldgit]

JNO

We must stop meeting like this.

/// aog, I didn't think you liked us intervening militarily in other countries? ///

I do not, like Britain intervening militarily in other countries that we are not part of, and just because (as in this case) our leaders offer our services at a drop of a hat either at some other countries request or from our voluntary intervention.

You mentioned North Korea, we did get involved in that country in the 1950s but as part of a United Nations Force, which is the correct way to go.

It is ironic however that the name of 'BLAIR' was involved in this
affair also.

JUN 26, 1950

Truman meets at 'BLAIR' HOUSE

/// While the situation in KOREA rapidly deteriorates, PRESIDENT TRUMAN convenes two days' worth of high-level meetings at WASHINGTON, D.C.'S 'BLAIR' HOUSE (his temporary residence while THE WHITE HOUSE undergoes renovations). ///

[anotheoldgit]

micovwar

/// Thousands of Britons fight for their country now ///

No our Troops are not fighting for 'their country' regardless of what our politicians would have us believe.

[RATTER15]

Jake, I am not trying to weedle my way out of anything, I at no time suggested that Muslims were the "only" war mongers or terrorist organisation, please do not imply otherwise!!

[Khandro]

Zeuhl; //who should 'authorise' the Taliban?// The people of Afghanistan by a free and fair vote, but they don't have a chance of gaining control other than by sabotage and coercion.

[micovwar]

When i said fight for our country i should have elaborated my real meaning,,you are infact right 'anotheoldgit' i am fully aware they arent fighting for our own country and there are other agendas at play,arent there always in war.

Khandro what didnt you understand about my post,,i dont see anything dubious about it and make no secret of the fact i personally live to despise my own government i see examples of current Mp,s as elitist snobs who go into the job for salary/benefits and golden retirement at 55 rather than to make a positive difference "for the people" ,they have earned my (and no doubt millions more peoples) venomous disposition to their cheap under handed scurilous shenanigans over the years.

Just imagine what else they are hiding from us all,how many more scandals shall we learn of with bent Mp,s shifting the goal posts for their own benefit,collaborations with shady figures and bent deals,short changing of the public purse..ooh i could go on all day.

They make me sick,Hypocrites like David Cameron who claimed benefits from the state for his disabled son (rest his soul) despite the millions he and his family have then had the gall and nerve to discriminate and persecute the disabled and unemployed (many including myself HE made jobless) talking about "a benefits culture of entitlement" and "Were in this together"..lol what a slime ball..how many of us could have claimed benefits with money in the bank!