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Superior athletic gene’ in the descendants of West African slaves?
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/// Olympic legend Michael Johnson says a ‘superior athletic gene’ in the descendants of West African slaves means black American and Caribbean sprinters will command the sport at the London Games ///
I always thought that it was 'racist' for one race to consider themselves superior to others?
/// Olympic legend Michael Johnson says a ‘superior athletic gene’ in the descendants of West African slaves means black American and Caribbean sprinters will command the sport at the London Games ///
I always thought that it was 'racist' for one race to consider themselves superior to others?
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AOG
You've skewed the discussion. You have inferred that I said black kids are deprived (which they are economically, but that's a different discussion).
What I said was that when you get someone black become successful in an area dominated by whites, it draws the eye and gets kids think, "Hey - I could do that").
This is why I gave you the example of Eminem - works both ways.
You've skewed the discussion. You have inferred that I said black kids are deprived (which they are economically, but that's a different discussion).
What I said was that when you get someone black become successful in an area dominated by whites, it draws the eye and gets kids think, "Hey - I could do that").
This is why I gave you the example of Eminem - works both ways.
Now back to the question of black kids being deprived. Overwhelmingly, children of immigrants are from poorer backgrounds. They do not have the same access to comfortable housing, great schools, private tuition, sports coaches etc that children from rich (overwhelmingly white) families do.
The same goes for poor working class white kids.
Do you honestly believe thatthe children of the Duke of Northumberland's children have the same opportunities as the children of Stacey Williams, a single mother on benefits who go to a school rated 'performing poorly' in its latest Ofsted report?
The same goes for poor working class white kids.
Do you honestly believe thatthe children of the Duke of Northumberland's children have the same opportunities as the children of Stacey Williams, a single mother on benefits who go to a school rated 'performing poorly' in its latest Ofsted report?
jno
there was speculation 30 years ago that Afro-Caribbeans had something in their genes (possibly something to do with spinal strength) that made them better fast bowlers.
The gene seems to have died out quite abruptly.
19:28 Sun 01st Jul 2012
excellent point by, jno
What has happened to the domination of the black american in heavyweight box?
there was speculation 30 years ago that Afro-Caribbeans had something in their genes (possibly something to do with spinal strength) that made them better fast bowlers.
The gene seems to have died out quite abruptly.
19:28 Sun 01st Jul 2012
excellent point by, jno
What has happened to the domination of the black american in heavyweight box?
"AOG
You've skewed the discussion. "
thats your speciality , no wonder youre peeved.
Like I said watch some blacks and whites putting on a jacket and then tell us what you notice, of course its easier to laugh rather than actually learn something.
and regarding your non stop drivel regarding blacks and their position, its pretty obvious you have a rather large slice of potato sitting right there on your shoulder
You've skewed the discussion. "
thats your speciality , no wonder youre peeved.
Like I said watch some blacks and whites putting on a jacket and then tell us what you notice, of course its easier to laugh rather than actually learn something.
and regarding your non stop drivel regarding blacks and their position, its pretty obvious you have a rather large slice of potato sitting right there on your shoulder
bazwillrun
AOG and I are having a civilised discussion, and your post earlier genuinely made me smile because it was so 'left field' (I don't know anyone who would extrapolate dressing to prowess in swimming)
If you are unable to add to it without resorting to personal insults then no worries. From now, I will ignore your posts, and I would be grateful if you did the same with mine.
Should make both our AB experiences much more pleasant.
Whaddaya say?
Deal?
AOG and I are having a civilised discussion, and your post earlier genuinely made me smile because it was so 'left field' (I don't know anyone who would extrapolate dressing to prowess in swimming)
If you are unable to add to it without resorting to personal insults then no worries. From now, I will ignore your posts, and I would be grateful if you did the same with mine.
Should make both our AB experiences much more pleasant.
Whaddaya say?
Deal?
@sp
theyre not insults they are factual statements of fact, as to you ignoring my posts.........guess ?!
@Snafu
Its not a veiled reference to anything, its literally what it says, putting on a jacket , ie the sort you might wear with a suit and if you do as i say you'll see why its pertinent to the subject of races and genetic disposition.
This was something that was pointed out to us many years ago by a black friend who we played football with.
theyre not insults they are factual statements of fact, as to you ignoring my posts.........guess ?!
@Snafu
Its not a veiled reference to anything, its literally what it says, putting on a jacket , ie the sort you might wear with a suit and if you do as i say you'll see why its pertinent to the subject of races and genetic disposition.
This was something that was pointed out to us many years ago by a black friend who we played football with.
sp1814
/// Do you honestly believe thatthe children of the Duke of Northumberland's children have the same opportunities as the children of Stacey Williams, a single mother on benefits who go to a school rated 'performing poorly' in its latest Ofsted report? ///
Now who is skewing the question now?
Obviously you will always have a class system, not just the aristocracy, do you think the kids of a black doctor, a black lawyer or a black MP would have the same upbringing as a black or white child coming from a working class background?
No your post was specifically suggesting that black kids are deprived in some way., you even repeated it in this recent paragraph.
/// Overwhelmingly, children of immigrants are from poorer backgrounds. They do not have the same access to comfortable housing, great schools, private tuition, sports coaches etc that children from rich (overwhelmingly white) families do. ///
I agree with the rich part, but the 'white families' comment, was a needless comment..
/// Do you honestly believe thatthe children of the Duke of Northumberland's children have the same opportunities as the children of Stacey Williams, a single mother on benefits who go to a school rated 'performing poorly' in its latest Ofsted report? ///
Now who is skewing the question now?
Obviously you will always have a class system, not just the aristocracy, do you think the kids of a black doctor, a black lawyer or a black MP would have the same upbringing as a black or white child coming from a working class background?
No your post was specifically suggesting that black kids are deprived in some way., you even repeated it in this recent paragraph.
/// Overwhelmingly, children of immigrants are from poorer backgrounds. They do not have the same access to comfortable housing, great schools, private tuition, sports coaches etc that children from rich (overwhelmingly white) families do. ///
I agree with the rich part, but the 'white families' comment, was a needless comment..
AOG
There - you've acknowledged mt point without knowing it. I'm not saying that black kids are necessarily disadvantaged because of their ethnicity, but because of their economic background. This is why I also referred to white working class kids.
I raised that point because you said that black kids have just the same opportunities in life as white kids. That's patently not true unless there is mathematical evidence that there is an even spread (socio-economically) of black families in all classes.
As there isn't the same percentage of black families in upper middle and middle class backgrounds, and far more in working class areas, their expectancies will likewise be constrained.
My point about the Duke of Northumbria's kids is a further rebuttal that everyone has the same opportunities.
We don't.
Money and connections rule the day. This goes for white, Asian and black children.
I don't see how the argument is skewed there.
There - you've acknowledged mt point without knowing it. I'm not saying that black kids are necessarily disadvantaged because of their ethnicity, but because of their economic background. This is why I also referred to white working class kids.
I raised that point because you said that black kids have just the same opportunities in life as white kids. That's patently not true unless there is mathematical evidence that there is an even spread (socio-economically) of black families in all classes.
As there isn't the same percentage of black families in upper middle and middle class backgrounds, and far more in working class areas, their expectancies will likewise be constrained.
My point about the Duke of Northumbria's kids is a further rebuttal that everyone has the same opportunities.
We don't.
Money and connections rule the day. This goes for white, Asian and black children.
I don't see how the argument is skewed there.
Why should anything be closed to them because they are black? some things are, either in fact or as perception.
Well, we could start with Augusta National ! Though that's an extreme example, and has changed a bit,joking aside the general perception is that golf is not an African American game. Here it is the same for black people. Golf was alway so, and may still be. Even Tiger Woods doesn't see himself as African-American , his ancestry being decidedly mixed.The old pros were often caddies who graduated to being pros, but black caddies didn't.
But it applies to class as much as to race here. Few working class people see themselves as polo players, however much money they have, and the typical golf club is a veritable haven for middle-class men with the Hyacinth Bucket attitude. A 'priceless' example:When I took one of the crew to play at Monaco Golf Club and he told the Secretary, who asked which club we belonged to before permitting us to play, that he belonged to an artisan's golf club, you could see the rolling eyes and hear the sigh from the other side of the room! I don't think golf here is so very much different. And tennis is still like that, by and large.
In all those circumstances, it's hardly surprising that black children don't see some games as 'for them'.
Well, we could start with Augusta National ! Though that's an extreme example, and has changed a bit,joking aside the general perception is that golf is not an African American game. Here it is the same for black people. Golf was alway so, and may still be. Even Tiger Woods doesn't see himself as African-American , his ancestry being decidedly mixed.The old pros were often caddies who graduated to being pros, but black caddies didn't.
But it applies to class as much as to race here. Few working class people see themselves as polo players, however much money they have, and the typical golf club is a veritable haven for middle-class men with the Hyacinth Bucket attitude. A 'priceless' example:When I took one of the crew to play at Monaco Golf Club and he told the Secretary, who asked which club we belonged to before permitting us to play, that he belonged to an artisan's golf club, you could see the rolling eyes and hear the sigh from the other side of the room! I don't think golf here is so very much different. And tennis is still like that, by and large.
In all those circumstances, it's hardly surprising that black children don't see some games as 'for them'.
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