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Orange walks and other walks-marches
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Local town had 150objections to an approx 400person march against racism and bigitory (republican)....
Locals reported complaints such as the march interrupted their right to peace and infringed on their day to day business......march also co-incided with a football game and trouble was feared.
Can the same be said about the "orange walks" that i have To endure time after timein my town (which is predominately catholic-and well known for it)
Shouldnt this all be banned.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/...side-central-13105383
Locals reported complaints such as the march interrupted their right to peace and infringed on their day to day business......march also co-incided with a football game and trouble was feared.
Can the same be said about the "orange walks" that i have To endure time after timein my town (which is predominately catholic-and well known for it)
Shouldnt this all be banned.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/...side-central-13105383
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There are no easy solutions, Tinks. Ask any of the long-term residents of Portobello Road in London and they will all support banning the Notting Hill Carnival. Ask any of the local shops, cafés and pubs, however, and you'll get a different answer.
Every year the police and organisers crow about how peaceful it's been. And every year the local residents crow about how much damage has been caused...
Every year the police and organisers crow about how peaceful it's been. And every year the local residents crow about how much damage has been caused...
This whole 'marching' business in Ireland is, in my opinion, quite absurd and counterproductive. While I agree with Mark (above) that there is nothing inherently illegal in these 'marches', I do feel that they are deliberately unpleasant and are done simply to antagonise another section of the community.
The justification for them is spurious at best, relying on the age-old argument that, '… my Grandfather's Grandfather marched down this particular road, so I will too...”.
Yes, they have a 'right' to march. But with 'rights' come responsibility and therefore the organisers of the marches have a responsibility not to deliberately antagonise others. Marchers from either religious denomination could very easily organise routes that don't pass the residences of their ideological opponents but they make a conscious effort not to do so.
I believe it is petty, small minded, deliberately antagonistic and ultimately pointless.
The justification for them is spurious at best, relying on the age-old argument that, '… my Grandfather's Grandfather marched down this particular road, so I will too...”.
Yes, they have a 'right' to march. But with 'rights' come responsibility and therefore the organisers of the marches have a responsibility not to deliberately antagonise others. Marchers from either religious denomination could very easily organise routes that don't pass the residences of their ideological opponents but they make a conscious effort not to do so.
I believe it is petty, small minded, deliberately antagonistic and ultimately pointless.
Am from N.I. ,and have lived through all the troubles. Have lost people and been badly affected. No...not everyone over here is "ok" with how things are going on,but,at least it is a work in progress!! Sinn fein accept the right of the orange order to "walk"..so maybe if we all try a bit of tolerance instead of just the usual negativity,we might get somewhere!
Thank you birdie, you say it better than me!
These walks, are worldwide and obviously in ireland mostly, howAever, speaking from scotland, in a predominately catholic town (which as said is well known, and described as uniquely irish populated or decendants- and little ireland) with approx 40,000 residents and i think 5 catholic chapels, these marches cause NOTHING but violence and ill feeling. Its time they were banned.
The marches are stupidly arranged for times when "mass" ends, or certain football (old firm) Involvement its a dead cert.
My taxes would be better spent aswell as there are hundreds of police who man these events.
Should be banned. I dont want to listen to it.
These walks, are worldwide and obviously in ireland mostly, howAever, speaking from scotland, in a predominately catholic town (which as said is well known, and described as uniquely irish populated or decendants- and little ireland) with approx 40,000 residents and i think 5 catholic chapels, these marches cause NOTHING but violence and ill feeling. Its time they were banned.
The marches are stupidly arranged for times when "mass" ends, or certain football (old firm) Involvement its a dead cert.
My taxes would be better spent aswell as there are hundreds of police who man these events.
Should be banned. I dont want to listen to it.
I agree linda that tolerance would be best, but my point is...personally. Ban it.
There are specific halls that the orange order have in towns, theyre entitled to their thoughts and beliefs, but im entitled to not have to watch them march down my road, and the trouble and noise. Its actually insulting to alot of people and it beggars belief that in this day and age its still allowed.
There are specific halls that the orange order have in towns, theyre entitled to their thoughts and beliefs, but im entitled to not have to watch them march down my road, and the trouble and noise. Its actually insulting to alot of people and it beggars belief that in this day and age its still allowed.
It is about time that people of all religions simply practiced their beliefs in the comfort of their own home or, if they really must, in a recognised place of worship which should, as far as possible be “out of town”. They could then keep themselves and their beliefs to themselves, not trouble the rest of us with their ideas and we’d all get on splendidly.
The idea that a town (or worse, a part of a town) should be “Catholic” or whatever, and another area should be “Protestant” or whatever is preposterous. Where I live I don’t even know what religion, if any, my immediate neighbours follow and nor do I want to. It is nothing to do with me. People that promote or encourage such divisions need to grow up, mind their own business and get on with their lives. All manifestations of these divisions should banned because there is no doubt that events such as the “marches” described in the article cause unnecessary distress and inconvenience to many people who have not the slightest interest in the participants’ causes.
The local authority’s reaction to the request to hold such an event was as interesting as it was predictable:
“The authority said its powers to refuse were restricted by the European Convention on Human Rights.”
Of course they were. And if ever any evidence was needed to support this country’s withdrawal from such an absurd piece of legislation this is it. The State has no power to protect the rights of the majority by preventing a group of people causing inconvenience and distress to many others because the ”rights” of those taking part may be infringed.
There is no reason at all why those promoting any cause need to march the streets in the UK. There may have been a need a hundred years ago, but today the plethora of communication methods available is such that they restrict the promotion
The idea that a town (or worse, a part of a town) should be “Catholic” or whatever, and another area should be “Protestant” or whatever is preposterous. Where I live I don’t even know what religion, if any, my immediate neighbours follow and nor do I want to. It is nothing to do with me. People that promote or encourage such divisions need to grow up, mind their own business and get on with their lives. All manifestations of these divisions should banned because there is no doubt that events such as the “marches” described in the article cause unnecessary distress and inconvenience to many people who have not the slightest interest in the participants’ causes.
The local authority’s reaction to the request to hold such an event was as interesting as it was predictable:
“The authority said its powers to refuse were restricted by the European Convention on Human Rights.”
Of course they were. And if ever any evidence was needed to support this country’s withdrawal from such an absurd piece of legislation this is it. The State has no power to protect the rights of the majority by preventing a group of people causing inconvenience and distress to many others because the ”rights” of those taking part may be infringed.
There is no reason at all why those promoting any cause need to march the streets in the UK. There may have been a need a hundred years ago, but today the plethora of communication methods available is such that they restrict the promotion
new judge,
very well put...
dim impressionable people who conduct their lives according to the parts of a comic book that suit them are fully deserving of comtempt,
just like other strange personal practices, do what you feel compelled to do behind closed doors because the stable majority consider you to be rather pathetic and moreso...we dont give a toss
very well put...
dim impressionable people who conduct their lives according to the parts of a comic book that suit them are fully deserving of comtempt,
just like other strange personal practices, do what you feel compelled to do behind closed doors because the stable majority consider you to be rather pathetic and moreso...we dont give a toss
I don't mind the marches/walks, which regularly pass my house in the 'marching season', but I wish the organisers could get some musicians in the bands. It's the swaggering flute-playing 'kick-the-popers' and their followers with their collecting tins that really annoy me. Not a note in their heads,
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