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Angela Merkal Says We Are Deluded!!

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cassa333 | 11:22 Thu 27th Apr 2017 | News
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For thinking we can negotiate a trade deal while still negotiating our exit fee.

Who cares? Sort out the exit deal and get on with it.

In the mean time we get to the world negotiating table and sort a few deals out ourselves.

All we need to do (simplification I know but it works short term) is look at the books, see how much the (probably over valued) EU assets are worth, what we legitimately should contribute towards and then get our refund.

If they can't even get the books signed off for donkeys years they are unlikely to be 100% honest on value. They have to at least pretend to value somewhere. To be solvent they have to have assets so in all likelihood have over egged the asset worth.
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One could be deluded into thinking the negotiators for the EU are flexible and not at all awkward, but I'm prepared to accept her word for that. Maybe they can't cover both areas at once.

But the answer is simple; we agree there is no exit fee or else we impose our zero exit fee solution and no longer negotiate. We agree a trade deal or else we impose our WTO option, they can see their companies disadvantaged more than ours and regret their foolish action. And we then get on with things.
I think the WTO option is likely to harm us more than the EU, OG.
What is WTO?
World trade organisation?
If we do not land on a deal with the EU on trade, the UK trades with it on World Trade Organisation terms.

As far as I'm aware, none of the major economies in the world does this with the EU. I suspect there's a reason for that.
Exactly : a WTO option is a very bad one for the U.K.
The PM has backed herself into a corner. While we slap ourselves on the back and warble on about our borders and our laws, from a European perspective it does seem wholly naive.
Maybe with an election out of the way things will change dramatically. But a 'big commons majority' isn't going to sway Europe's negotiators so if the PM thinks it will give her a green or more aptly a blue light to press ahead she is in for a rude awakening
I know, what does she know compared to T.May who was at one time a remained .!!
well I suggest she concentrates on here own problems, like the one from AOG below for example.
Quite right 3T. A strong political leader only ever does one thing a time...
It's worth remembering as well that every single one of the EU's 27 member parliaments has to ratify an agreement : how undemocratic and centralised of it :-)
No, it is not entirely democratic is it? It takes no account of population and in addition contribution or length in the Club.

It is also the biggest problem the EU have. Ever been to a meeting of even 1/2 a dozen and found all in agreement?
A WTO option is not as bad as made out, you pay for the goods as you use them, it should encourage us to buy British first which hopefully will aid the economy and have the added benefit of educing emissions by transporting foods over ludicrous distances.
In addition we do not have a 'free' trade agreement now. We pay Billions for it and are very much restricted by it.
As far s trade is concerned we can walk away and things will work themselves out. Trade always does.


"it should encourage us to buy British first "

Er, there are obvious problems with that which I won't bother to spell out :-)
"things will work themselves out. Trade always does."

What are you basing that on?
Merkel has told her own people she will put the EU before them. She will cut the nose off the German to spit the Brit.

Personally I would want my elected leader to do their best for my country.
spite ^
Frau Hitler can kiss my arris.
Lol thx jack just spit my mouthful of tea everywhere!
Obviously none of the major economies in the world trades on WTO terms if they can agree a better deal. WTO rules are a minimum standard for international trade, that we've all signed up to. But if a trading block wants to be awkward it is a perfectly reasonable basis on which to trade with them; alternatively take one's trade elsewhere. It's a big world out there; nothing ventured, nothing gained.

The only reason all member countries have to rubber stamp something like this is not for reasons of democracy, which the EU has proven it does not value, it is to avoid, as much as is possible, having to change. Tie such things up with the ministers and the Commission is then free to get on with whatever it wants to progress.

IMO the horror expressed at trading under WTO rules is simply part of "Project Fear", as it seems to have come to be known.

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