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Should We Just Let Him Rot?
Do we really need to know any more?
Would you be happier letting your memories of him fade, or do you think there's value in the BBC producing this documentary?
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Personally I'm curious to see how the BBC will deal with their own 'culpability'...will there be a thorough and frank investigation into how the BBC (and by extension, the rest of us) were taken in. So think it's a valid exercise.
What do you think?
Would you be happier letting your memories of him fade, or do you think there's value in the BBC producing this documentary?
http://
Personally I'm curious to see how the BBC will deal with their own 'culpability'...will there be a thorough and frank investigation into how the BBC (and by extension, the rest of us) were taken in. So think it's a valid exercise.
What do you think?
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Louis Theroux came across in the original as an irritating individual who was very poorly placed to get Savile to open up about anything. His whole attitude had Savile on the defensive from the start.
There's an illuminating scene in the programme where Theroux goes to bed while his cameraman sits up and has an intimate chat with the DJ. In the morning Theroux comes down to find that the cameraman has got more out of his subject simply by sitting down and talking to him as a normal human being, rather than trying to be "Louis Theroux - the man who gets under your skin, but not into your mind"
But did Theroux take the hint? Nope. That's not to say he would have "unmasked" Savile exactly, but it might have been a more interesting programme.
There's an illuminating scene in the programme where Theroux goes to bed while his cameraman sits up and has an intimate chat with the DJ. In the morning Theroux comes down to find that the cameraman has got more out of his subject simply by sitting down and talking to him as a normal human being, rather than trying to be "Louis Theroux - the man who gets under your skin, but not into your mind"
But did Theroux take the hint? Nope. That's not to say he would have "unmasked" Savile exactly, but it might have been a more interesting programme.
SP...there are plenty of Saviles still abroad in Britain today, practising their evil trade.
Hardly a day goes by when some pillar of society is in Court. I was thinking that if we saw how Savile was clearly able to fool and manipulate so many people, we may be more aware of the methods used and how to spot them in the future.
Savile was able to mislead many thousands of people, over nearly 60 years
and anything that makes it more difficult in the future has got to be worth trying.
Hardly a day goes by when some pillar of society is in Court. I was thinking that if we saw how Savile was clearly able to fool and manipulate so many people, we may be more aware of the methods used and how to spot them in the future.
Savile was able to mislead many thousands of people, over nearly 60 years
and anything that makes it more difficult in the future has got to be worth trying.
I agree with mickey444. Know they enemy.
If we can understand the mind or motivations or how they get away with something like this all the better. Abuse didn't die with Saville. It is alive a kicking in all walks of life.
Louis says he sensed he didn't get to the bottom of his sexual side and he classed him as a friend. So what hope has anyone else? Well I met JS for about 5 minutes in a hotel I was working at and from the minute after I met him made sure I kept the younger girls away from him. I actually went to my manager and said to keep the smitten youngsters away from that dirty old man.
It is the people close to him that ignored those signs and instincts and allowed him to be the way he was.
If we can understand the mind or motivations or how they get away with something like this all the better. Abuse didn't die with Saville. It is alive a kicking in all walks of life.
Louis says he sensed he didn't get to the bottom of his sexual side and he classed him as a friend. So what hope has anyone else? Well I met JS for about 5 minutes in a hotel I was working at and from the minute after I met him made sure I kept the younger girls away from him. I actually went to my manager and said to keep the smitten youngsters away from that dirty old man.
It is the people close to him that ignored those signs and instincts and allowed him to be the way he was.
cassa333, I can’t really see what we can learn from continually raking over the coals. We can’t examine his mind – he’s dead. We know he came across as a popular man who did charitable works, we know what he did, we know people were aware of it and we know they ignored it because of who he was. The only thing we can learn – and hopefully we have – is not to ignore it in future.
//we know what he did, we know people were aware of it and we know they ignored it because of who he was.//
do we?
he's dead. he was never arraigned during his lifetime and now he never will be. his guilt or otherwise hasn't been tested in court, nor will it now, ever. many on here criticise those who would not wait to let justice run its course - why is this case so different?
do we?
he's dead. he was never arraigned during his lifetime and now he never will be. his guilt or otherwise hasn't been tested in court, nor will it now, ever. many on here criticise those who would not wait to let justice run its course - why is this case so different?
//do we? //
We do.
//http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/02/26/jimmy-savile-senior-stoke-mandeville-hospital-staff-abuse_n_6758102.html//
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We do.
//http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/02/26/jimmy-savile-senior-stoke-mandeville-hospital-staff-abuse_n_6758102.html//
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mushroom25
//we know what he did, we know people were aware of it and we know they ignored it because of who he was.//
do we?
he's dead. he was never arraigned during his lifetime and now he never will be. his guilt or otherwise hasn't been tested in court, nor will it now, ever. many on here criticise those who would not wait to let justice run its course - why is this case so different?
Is that about savile or jackson?
//we know what he did, we know people were aware of it and we know they ignored it because of who he was.//
do we?
he's dead. he was never arraigned during his lifetime and now he never will be. his guilt or otherwise hasn't been tested in court, nor will it now, ever. many on here criticise those who would not wait to let justice run its course - why is this case so different?
Is that about savile or jackson?
///he's dead. he was never arraigned during his lifetime and now he never will be. his guilt or otherwise hasn't been tested in court, nor will it now, ever///
At the risk of invoking Godwin's Law.....that could be applied to one A. Hitler.
Sometimes the evidence is so overwhelming that it makes the result of any court-trial a foregone conclusion, although it is always better to have a trial where possible....
I don't think the fascination is necessarily with Savile himself, it's more to do with an environment/culture that enabled him to hide 'in plain sight'....and other people who are accused/suspected of doing the same.
At the risk of invoking Godwin's Law.....that could be applied to one A. Hitler.
Sometimes the evidence is so overwhelming that it makes the result of any court-trial a foregone conclusion, although it is always better to have a trial where possible....
I don't think the fascination is necessarily with Savile himself, it's more to do with an environment/culture that enabled him to hide 'in plain sight'....and other people who are accused/suspected of doing the same.
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