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Should The Eu Get Involved In Such Savagery?
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ChillDoubt
This is no about securing the safe removal of British nationals it is about getting involved in yet another African civil war.
These are not two sides of uniformed soldiers fighting each other, it is unruly and savage civilian mobs, massacring and mutilating each other along with innocent women and children, all in the name of their Christian and Muslim religions.
/// Amnesty International has called for international intervention as crimes against humanity including extrajudicial executions and mutilations of bodies are being committed throughout the country. ///
This is no about securing the safe removal of British nationals it is about getting involved in yet another African civil war.
These are not two sides of uniformed soldiers fighting each other, it is unruly and savage civilian mobs, massacring and mutilating each other along with innocent women and children, all in the name of their Christian and Muslim religions.
/// Amnesty International has called for international intervention as crimes against humanity including extrajudicial executions and mutilations of bodies are being committed throughout the country. ///
As I said, if British nationals are in desperate need of evacuation I'd like to see troops go in and assist.
Beyond that, no, leave the indigenous people to it.
It will only become another bottomless pit into which the EU, world and various charities pour vast amounts of money and resources into, resulting in very little difference.
If troops are needed to provide stability and separation of warring factions, that's a matter for the UN, though they'll invariably be about as much use as a handbrake on a canoe.
Beyond that, no, leave the indigenous people to it.
It will only become another bottomless pit into which the EU, world and various charities pour vast amounts of money and resources into, resulting in very little difference.
If troops are needed to provide stability and separation of warring factions, that's a matter for the UN, though they'll invariably be about as much use as a handbrake on a canoe.
ChillDoubt
It seems to me that the French have got involved because of past colonial interests, and now want the rest of the EU countries to help them out.
Or could it be a start of the European Union's continuous request for the EU to run its own military?
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It seems to me that the French have got involved because of past colonial interests, and now want the rest of the EU countries to help them out.
Or could it be a start of the European Union's continuous request for the EU to run its own military?
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ChillDoubt
/// That's their affair, I wasn't addressing that.
I've made my stance clear enough I feel. ///
And no one is suggesting that you were, oh you are so touchy.
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What the funicular ARE you on about? You've asked a question in the OP, I've made my thoughts known and stance so to.
Why would I be touchy? You appear to want to make arguments where there are none. Let the French knock themselves out, unless we're assisting in evacuating British nationals we have no need to get involved IMHO.
Or have you another off-topic question in mind?
/// That's their affair, I wasn't addressing that.
I've made my stance clear enough I feel. ///
And no one is suggesting that you were, oh you are so touchy.
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What the funicular ARE you on about? You've asked a question in the OP, I've made my thoughts known and stance so to.
Why would I be touchy? You appear to want to make arguments where there are none. Let the French knock themselves out, unless we're assisting in evacuating British nationals we have no need to get involved IMHO.
Or have you another off-topic question in mind?
Am I alone in thinking that lots of African countries are swirling around in a cess-pit of their own making. they wanted independence. they got it. now, if they want to butcher each other let them get on with it. if our troops get involved they'll only end up being attacked by one side or the other, or more likely both.
jake-the-peg
/// I seem to recall AOG that you were very big on the idea of other countries playing their parts in Afghanistan once and not leaving it all up to us. ///
Entirely different situation like it or not we were part of a EU force in Afghanistan, yet while others where in safe zones just a few were in the thick of it.
/// Is this different? Or do you agree with me that our forces should be there to defend the country and sized and equipped accordingly? ///
Yes, as I have already said "it is different", and no we should not be there defending the country, but from whom I would also like to ask?
The Central African Republic is not in the threat of being invaded by another country, and if it were it is of no business of ours.
It is a civil war between Christians and Muslims, and if you watched any of those scenes shown on TV last night, I wouldn't wish to see any civilised troops get involved with those savages.
/// I seem to recall AOG that you were very big on the idea of other countries playing their parts in Afghanistan once and not leaving it all up to us. ///
Entirely different situation like it or not we were part of a EU force in Afghanistan, yet while others where in safe zones just a few were in the thick of it.
/// Is this different? Or do you agree with me that our forces should be there to defend the country and sized and equipped accordingly? ///
Yes, as I have already said "it is different", and no we should not be there defending the country, but from whom I would also like to ask?
The Central African Republic is not in the threat of being invaded by another country, and if it were it is of no business of ours.
It is a civil war between Christians and Muslims, and if you watched any of those scenes shown on TV last night, I wouldn't wish to see any civilised troops get involved with those savages.
I think the issue is not so much who gets involved but who decides whether UK forces get involved and to what degree.
In common with many things contained withing the Lisbon Treaty, the matter of foreign policy and deployment of members states' troops is mired in ambiguity. Some parts of it suggest member states are free to adopt their own policies, others suggest thay must buy in to EU policy.
Once again the fundamental question is quite simple: if the UK electorate is happy to see its troops deployed at the behest of foreigners then fine (cue for those who suggest we are the USA's "poodle"). But nobody knows whether they are or not because they've never been asked.
In common with many things contained withing the Lisbon Treaty, the matter of foreign policy and deployment of members states' troops is mired in ambiguity. Some parts of it suggest member states are free to adopt their own policies, others suggest thay must buy in to EU policy.
Once again the fundamental question is quite simple: if the UK electorate is happy to see its troops deployed at the behest of foreigners then fine (cue for those who suggest we are the USA's "poodle"). But nobody knows whether they are or not because they've never been asked.
The EU should not get involved in the confluct and that is not why they are being sent there. This is not a Libya, Syria type situation where we are taking sides. The EU force is ostensibly going as a peace keeping for to prevent Rwanda style Genocide.
We should rightly keep out of the conflict, but we should not stand idly by as massacres take place.
We should rightly keep out of the conflict, but we should not stand idly by as massacres take place.
"We should rightly keep out of the conflict, but we should not stand idly by as massacres take place. "
Er... how exactly is that to be achieved?
There's a punch up outside the pub. Bearing in mind you are not the police, either you stand idly by, watch it unfold, and wait for the mayhem to subside. Or, you wade in, try to pull the warring factions apart, and more than likely end up having seven bells knocked out of you for your trouble. You cannot have it both ways.
Er... how exactly is that to be achieved?
There's a punch up outside the pub. Bearing in mind you are not the police, either you stand idly by, watch it unfold, and wait for the mayhem to subside. Or, you wade in, try to pull the warring factions apart, and more than likely end up having seven bells knocked out of you for your trouble. You cannot have it both ways.
ChillDoubt
/// What the funicular ARE you on about? You've asked a question in the OP, I've made my thoughts known and stance so to.
Why would I be touchy? You appear to want to make arguments where there are none. Let the French knock themselves out, unless we're assisting in evacuating British nationals we have no need to get involved IMHO.
Or have you another off-topic question in mind? ///
Perhaps before you accuse me making arguments where there are none, you should first look at the way you address others.
This was my input
*** It seems to me that the French have got involved because of past colonial interests, and now want the rest of the EU countries to help them out. ***
and this was your answer,
/// That's their affair, I wasn't addressing that.
I've made my stance clear enough I feel. ///
I simply put, that no one said that you were addressing my fact regarding the French.
Or the fact that that I thought that your stance on the matter was somehow unclear.
/// What the funicular ARE you on about? You've asked a question in the OP, I've made my thoughts known and stance so to.
Why would I be touchy? You appear to want to make arguments where there are none. Let the French knock themselves out, unless we're assisting in evacuating British nationals we have no need to get involved IMHO.
Or have you another off-topic question in mind? ///
Perhaps before you accuse me making arguments where there are none, you should first look at the way you address others.
This was my input
*** It seems to me that the French have got involved because of past colonial interests, and now want the rest of the EU countries to help them out. ***
and this was your answer,
/// That's their affair, I wasn't addressing that.
I've made my stance clear enough I feel. ///
I simply put, that no one said that you were addressing my fact regarding the French.
Or the fact that that I thought that your stance on the matter was somehow unclear.
Gromit
NewJudge
/// Comparing genocide to a punch up outside a pub is your dafted post for a long time. ///
i don't think so he was merely pointing out to you, how one could "rightly keep out of the conflict" and at the same time not standing idly by.
/// We should rightly keep out of the conflict, but we should not stand idly by as massacres take place. ///
NewJudge
/// Comparing genocide to a punch up outside a pub is your dafted post for a long time. ///
i don't think so he was merely pointing out to you, how one could "rightly keep out of the conflict" and at the same time not standing idly by.
/// We should rightly keep out of the conflict, but we should not stand idly by as massacres take place. ///
Gromit
/// If we go to CAF our mission will not to stop either side having a punch up. Our mission will be to make sure the women, children and innocent bystander between then don't get hurt. ///
And please explain how they could do that without getting involved?
Let's take this scenario, a band of these savages have rounded up some women, children and other innocent bystanders and they are about to conduct some summary executions just because they happen to belong to a different religion,
What then?
/// If we go to CAF our mission will not to stop either side having a punch up. Our mission will be to make sure the women, children and innocent bystander between then don't get hurt. ///
And please explain how they could do that without getting involved?
Let's take this scenario, a band of these savages have rounded up some women, children and other innocent bystanders and they are about to conduct some summary executions just because they happen to belong to a different religion,
What then?
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