Body & Soul1 min ago
Surely the drug dealers are just as guilty as the murderer?
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Surely the drug dealers who got these girls hooked on drugs are just as guilty as the person or people who carried out the murders.
Without the drugs many girls (and male prostitutes) would not need to resort to prostituion to feed their habit.
This does not take intro account the massive amount of other crime caused by people feeding drug habits.
I have felt for years this country faces two major problems: uncontrolled immigration and drug dealing.
Surely it is about time we came down HARD on drug dealers.
For pushers, at least 10 years.
For importers and the top bosses, life imprisonment (I wish it could be the death penalty)
I am fed up with this problem going on for years with it never seeming to get under control. The politicians just talk.
Lets throw money at the problem until we get all the people who import drugs into this country in jail.
We seem to have plenty of money to throw at the olympics so I am sure the money could be found.
Without the drugs many girls (and male prostitutes) would not need to resort to prostituion to feed their habit.
This does not take intro account the massive amount of other crime caused by people feeding drug habits.
I have felt for years this country faces two major problems: uncontrolled immigration and drug dealing.
Surely it is about time we came down HARD on drug dealers.
For pushers, at least 10 years.
For importers and the top bosses, life imprisonment (I wish it could be the death penalty)
I am fed up with this problem going on for years with it never seeming to get under control. The politicians just talk.
Lets throw money at the problem until we get all the people who import drugs into this country in jail.
We seem to have plenty of money to throw at the olympics so I am sure the money could be found.
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yeah what a great idea... lets ban alcohol too...and imprison all the off licence owners and brewers!
or does that not cause lives to be ruined or force people into prostitution?
Yeah,lets throw money at stopping these things...but wait...
stopping drinking will surley cost the government millions...
Nevermind,it's all talk from them anyway isn't it..
or does that not cause lives to be ruined or force people into prostitution?
Yeah,lets throw money at stopping these things...but wait...
stopping drinking will surley cost the government millions...
Nevermind,it's all talk from them anyway isn't it..
Why do I get the feeling you've not done the maths? Would that be too hard?
The 2003 survey had 12% having taken an illegal drug in the past year and 3% a class A one.
That's maybe 5 million users of illegal drugs. If every pusher supplies say 20 customers on average that's quarter of a million you'd add to the prison population that's currently at about 80,000
And that's before you jail those replacing the existing pushers. After all if you removed the dealers ther'd be loads of junkies willing to risk replacing them whatever sentence you put in place - addicts don't think they're going to get caught or don't care.
So lets say you need to jail double the number of pushers now your prison population has gone from 80,000 to 580,000 an increase of over 6 times.
Each prisoner costs �23,000 a year to keep fed, watered and in secure accomodation.
I estimate your policy at �23 billion a year and as 2.5 billion is about a penny on income tax that's 10p on income tax.
That's nearly the cost of staging 10 Olympic games every year
Of course there'd be savings in crime reduction but there'd also be costs in the court systems and police services to cope with the flood of cases so I'm writing one off against the other.
Bit tough the real world isn't it?
The 2003 survey had 12% having taken an illegal drug in the past year and 3% a class A one.
That's maybe 5 million users of illegal drugs. If every pusher supplies say 20 customers on average that's quarter of a million you'd add to the prison population that's currently at about 80,000
And that's before you jail those replacing the existing pushers. After all if you removed the dealers ther'd be loads of junkies willing to risk replacing them whatever sentence you put in place - addicts don't think they're going to get caught or don't care.
So lets say you need to jail double the number of pushers now your prison population has gone from 80,000 to 580,000 an increase of over 6 times.
Each prisoner costs �23,000 a year to keep fed, watered and in secure accomodation.
I estimate your policy at �23 billion a year and as 2.5 billion is about a penny on income tax that's 10p on income tax.
That's nearly the cost of staging 10 Olympic games every year
Of course there'd be savings in crime reduction but there'd also be costs in the court systems and police services to cope with the flood of cases so I'm writing one off against the other.
Bit tough the real world isn't it?
When I was an addict it was my choice entirely. No-one else's fault at all, just mine. What you are proposing is to take people's personal responsibility away from them and let them say "oh yeah I'm a drug addict , it's not my fault, I'm a victim". THAT really doesn't help. Yeah you are a victim, you are your own victim, and until addicts understand that they stay addicted.Plus a lot of low end dealers are the most pathetic of addicts who are bullied into it by other people who cream off the majority of the profits or who only do it to fund their own addiction and to avoid mugging people etc.
People need to be brought up as valued, worth something and with the expectation that they will be a valued member of society, THEN they are less likely to have the hole inside them that drug addicts feel they need to fill with drugs.
People need to be brought up as valued, worth something and with the expectation that they will be a valued member of society, THEN they are less likely to have the hole inside them that drug addicts feel they need to fill with drugs.
No, the girls made their choice and have paid the price for living that kind of existence. Thats not to say they deserved whats happened, but that is one of the risks that comes with working the streets and has been for years.
The dealers are not just as guilty as the murderer, but they are just as loathsome.
The dealers are not just as guilty as the murderer, but they are just as loathsome.
this is not tv land where drug dealers stand on street corners tempting people into buying their wares!
drug dealers actually tend to only deal with people who have gone to them with the intention of buying drugs.
very very few hang about outside schools looking for kids.
in my experience many drug dealers get into it because their mates are after it.
drug dealers actually tend to only deal with people who have gone to them with the intention of buying drugs.
very very few hang about outside schools looking for kids.
in my experience many drug dealers get into it because their mates are after it.
I was brought up with a great awareness of what is right and what is wrong.
Its wrong to do drugs there fore I have resisted any temptations in front of me as it is widely known, unless you have lived on Mars, what drugs and the culture of drug taking and the consequences of what doing drugs and the resources needed to feed the habit entail.
Its a fundemental parents duty to bring your kids up with the right attitude and do all you can to get them to see right from wrong - not the easy way out.
These girls have always had a choice to do what they do - some turn to prostitution and some to burglary/shoplifting etc Its a choice they made - no one else made it for them.
As for people not knowing that their children are into drugs/prostitution then I can't see myself sitting back and not knowing whether my daughter is shooting up or on the game. That would be enough for me to get off my arse and find out. I would move heaven and earth to sort the situation out.
It's always very sad to see people have lost their lives who have sunk to desperate levels, but if you tend to live by the sword you will die by it.
On a side note I think that the prostitutes of Ipswich are probably safe as houses at the moment and if he is going to strike again which I don't think he will in the near future, he will strike in a neighbouring town much the same as The Yorkshire Ripper did. His area was a hell of a lot bigger than Ipswich. He was eventually apprehended in Sheffield - quite a way from Leeds, Bradford and the Huddersfield area.
Its wrong to do drugs there fore I have resisted any temptations in front of me as it is widely known, unless you have lived on Mars, what drugs and the culture of drug taking and the consequences of what doing drugs and the resources needed to feed the habit entail.
Its a fundemental parents duty to bring your kids up with the right attitude and do all you can to get them to see right from wrong - not the easy way out.
These girls have always had a choice to do what they do - some turn to prostitution and some to burglary/shoplifting etc Its a choice they made - no one else made it for them.
As for people not knowing that their children are into drugs/prostitution then I can't see myself sitting back and not knowing whether my daughter is shooting up or on the game. That would be enough for me to get off my arse and find out. I would move heaven and earth to sort the situation out.
It's always very sad to see people have lost their lives who have sunk to desperate levels, but if you tend to live by the sword you will die by it.
On a side note I think that the prostitutes of Ipswich are probably safe as houses at the moment and if he is going to strike again which I don't think he will in the near future, he will strike in a neighbouring town much the same as The Yorkshire Ripper did. His area was a hell of a lot bigger than Ipswich. He was eventually apprehended in Sheffield - quite a way from Leeds, Bradford and the Huddersfield area.
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