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Start Of The Slippery Slope For Dave ?
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Not by miles ludwig, just ahead and consistently for over 3 years.
As Sqad says, could be. My prediction is still that Labour will end up with the most seats, even with impending gloom from north of the border. If that happens, these last 5 years will be one of the swiftest Tory residencies in Number Ten, and dave will go the same way as all the other failed Tory Leaders of the last few years.
As Sqad says, could be. My prediction is still that Labour will end up with the most seats, even with impending gloom from north of the border. If that happens, these last 5 years will be one of the swiftest Tory residencies in Number Ten, and dave will go the same way as all the other failed Tory Leaders of the last few years.
\\\ If that happens, these last 5 years will be one of the swiftest Tory residencies in Number Ten, \\\
Not quite fair mikey he happened to be the Tory leader of a Coalition Government, not quite the same thing as a Tory Administration.
If Dave had had a clear run, he would have moved the Tories to the right and that would have put clear daylight between the 2 parties...........either Labour lead or Tory lead.
Not quite fair mikey he happened to be the Tory leader of a Coalition Government, not quite the same thing as a Tory Administration.
If Dave had had a clear run, he would have moved the Tories to the right and that would have put clear daylight between the 2 parties...........either Labour lead or Tory lead.
Also if Labour were that great in their last time in power how come Ed Milliband and other labour leaders have had to keep apologizing for things that happened when they were in power.
p.s. Anyway it is only a poll, not the election itself. Asking 500 people how they MIGHT vote is not the same as millions of people going into a little booth and putting their cross on a piece of paper.
p.s. Anyway it is only a poll, not the election itself. Asking 500 people how they MIGHT vote is not the same as millions of people going into a little booth and putting their cross on a piece of paper.
Ah...shooting the messenger again, instead of debating the issue !
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This site uses all the Polls, so a lot more than 500 people, and it has consistently predicted that Labour will have more seats than the Tories.
In 2010, the Tories had 306 seats and Labour had 258. If the above EC prediction is correct, than the Tories will have lost 35 seats and Labour will have gained 32, and this is in a situation where the Libs will have lost 40.
Of course, the final count won't be exactly the same as EC predicts but dave is moving in the wrong direction, and has been since soon after the 2010 Election.
But, as I have said on many occasions, there is still a lot to play for and 4 weeks to go. But if dave is going to turn the Tory boat around, he have left it too late.
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This site uses all the Polls, so a lot more than 500 people, and it has consistently predicted that Labour will have more seats than the Tories.
In 2010, the Tories had 306 seats and Labour had 258. If the above EC prediction is correct, than the Tories will have lost 35 seats and Labour will have gained 32, and this is in a situation where the Libs will have lost 40.
Of course, the final count won't be exactly the same as EC predicts but dave is moving in the wrong direction, and has been since soon after the 2010 Election.
But, as I have said on many occasions, there is still a lot to play for and 4 weeks to go. But if dave is going to turn the Tory boat around, he have left it too late.
Mikey, I know Clegg is a bit of a non-entity, but he’s been a thorn in Dave’s side for the past five years, so you must surely concede that Sqad has made a very valid point?
//Not quite fair mikey he happened to be the Tory leader of a Coalition Government, not quite the same thing as a Tory Administration.//
//Not quite fair mikey he happened to be the Tory leader of a Coalition Government, not quite the same thing as a Tory Administration.//
Naomi and Sqad....I am quite happy to accept that Clegg has acted as a brake on the more lurid and rabid ambitions of the Tories, over the last 5 years.
But the result of Clegg supping with the Devil is that he and his Party are now a spent force in British politics, for the time being at least. This so-called coalition was never a 50/50 partnership. It was essentially a marriage of convenience that dave entered into as his only way out of trying to rule as a minority Government after his abject failure to achieve enough seats on Polling day 2010.
Clegg accepted the poisoned Tory chalice, as it gave his minor and not very important Party its 15 mins of fame, a 15 mins that will now see the Libdems in the political wilderness for perhaps a generation. The Libs have their 15 mins of fame every 30-40 years or so, and they must enjoy the fleeting fame as best they can.
Clegg now has the unenviable task of trying to big up the last 5 years, at the same time as rubbishing the Tory Party, an impossible task I would have thought. He is trying to have his cake, as well as eating it, and it plainly isn't working. The Libdems will be lucky to get 20 seats in a few days time, down from the 62 that they had prior to the 2010 election.
So its down to the old, old contest of a straight fight between the Tories and Labour....twas ever thus.
But the result of Clegg supping with the Devil is that he and his Party are now a spent force in British politics, for the time being at least. This so-called coalition was never a 50/50 partnership. It was essentially a marriage of convenience that dave entered into as his only way out of trying to rule as a minority Government after his abject failure to achieve enough seats on Polling day 2010.
Clegg accepted the poisoned Tory chalice, as it gave his minor and not very important Party its 15 mins of fame, a 15 mins that will now see the Libdems in the political wilderness for perhaps a generation. The Libs have their 15 mins of fame every 30-40 years or so, and they must enjoy the fleeting fame as best they can.
Clegg now has the unenviable task of trying to big up the last 5 years, at the same time as rubbishing the Tory Party, an impossible task I would have thought. He is trying to have his cake, as well as eating it, and it plainly isn't working. The Libdems will be lucky to get 20 seats in a few days time, down from the 62 that they had prior to the 2010 election.
So its down to the old, old contest of a straight fight between the Tories and Labour....twas ever thus.
Mikey, //So its down to the old, old contest of a straight fight between the Tories and Labour....twas ever thus. //
But according to the results of the polls you post frequently the competition is not that simple so ignoring your usual spin, in the event that Ed finds himself in a similar position to that in which Dave found himself five years ago, which is highly likely, who do you think Ed will link up with – and will you be happy with his decision? (Not that Ed will remain leader for long after the election, but for the moment he is).
But according to the results of the polls you post frequently the competition is not that simple so ignoring your usual spin, in the event that Ed finds himself in a similar position to that in which Dave found himself five years ago, which is highly likely, who do you think Ed will link up with – and will you be happy with his decision? (Not that Ed will remain leader for long after the election, but for the moment he is).
Ooh yeah, coz Red Ed ... he's a serious threat, lol, lol, lol ...
Ed Milliband could actually become prime minister ...
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... haaa haa haa ha ha ha haaaaaa haaaa ha ha ha ha haaa
... bwaaaaah haaaaah haah haah haaaaaaahhhhh !!!!!!!
(wipes away tears of laughter)
Labour could get ... back into power ... bwaaaaaaaahhh haaaaaaa haaaaa haaaaaaaaaa haaaa haaa haaaa haaa haaaaaaaa haaaa
Sorry, it's no good,I can't keep a straight face ...
Ed Milliband could actually become prime minister ...
...
..
... haaa haa haa ha ha ha haaaaaa haaaa ha ha ha ha haaa
... bwaaaaah haaaaah haah haah haaaaaaahhhhh !!!!!!!
(wipes away tears of laughter)
Labour could get ... back into power ... bwaaaaaaaahhh haaaaaaa haaaaa haaaaaaaaaa haaaa haaa haaaa haaa haaaaaaaa haaaa
Sorry, it's no good,I can't keep a straight face ...
Naomi.....no spin, just facts !
It is highly likely that there will be another sort of coalition after May 7th. The SNP have indicated that they will not support the Tories in any shape or form and the best way that they can do that, is to work with Labour, vote by vote, which they have already shown interest in doing.
The Libs will go to whoever they think will give them the most morsels, as usual. If Labour have the most seats after May 7th, then Clegg will meet up with Ed and a deal will probably be done.
Plaid Cymru will also refuse to support the Tories. The 2 or maybe 3 seats that they will end up with can only help Labour.
I can't see the Greens ever supporting the Tories.
The 2 current UKIP MPs are, after all, closet Tories, so it doesn't take a genius to work out who they will support ! If Farage doesn't win his seat in Thanet South, than he will be replaced as Leader, and I can easily see UKIP falling apart at the seams ( even more than is happening at the moment ! )
The NI lot are a more difficult case to deal with. They are mostly Tory supporting, but they more importantly Unionists. But they will lick the cream out of any hand that preposes to feed them the most.
It is highly likely that there will be another sort of coalition after May 7th. The SNP have indicated that they will not support the Tories in any shape or form and the best way that they can do that, is to work with Labour, vote by vote, which they have already shown interest in doing.
The Libs will go to whoever they think will give them the most morsels, as usual. If Labour have the most seats after May 7th, then Clegg will meet up with Ed and a deal will probably be done.
Plaid Cymru will also refuse to support the Tories. The 2 or maybe 3 seats that they will end up with can only help Labour.
I can't see the Greens ever supporting the Tories.
The 2 current UKIP MPs are, after all, closet Tories, so it doesn't take a genius to work out who they will support ! If Farage doesn't win his seat in Thanet South, than he will be replaced as Leader, and I can easily see UKIP falling apart at the seams ( even more than is happening at the moment ! )
The NI lot are a more difficult case to deal with. They are mostly Tory supporting, but they more importantly Unionists. But they will lick the cream out of any hand that preposes to feed them the most.
Ludwig, the voice of common sense. ;o)
Jayne, Ed might be Prime Minister for about 5 minutes. The embarrassing prospect of him representing this country on the world stage doesn’t bear thinking of. Oh my!
Mikey, //The SNP have indicated that they will not support the Tories in any shape or form and the best way that they can do that, is to work with Labour, vote by vote, which they have already shown interest in doing.//
And that’s good for the country? Personally I can’t see the attraction of voting for chaos which is what will ensue if the people who can’t get their heads out of the 1930s have their way . When you place your cross on that ballot paper you’d better make sure you know exactly what you’re doing.
Jayne, Ed might be Prime Minister for about 5 minutes. The embarrassing prospect of him representing this country on the world stage doesn’t bear thinking of. Oh my!
Mikey, //The SNP have indicated that they will not support the Tories in any shape or form and the best way that they can do that, is to work with Labour, vote by vote, which they have already shown interest in doing.//
And that’s good for the country? Personally I can’t see the attraction of voting for chaos which is what will ensue if the people who can’t get their heads out of the 1930s have their way . When you place your cross on that ballot paper you’d better make sure you know exactly what you’re doing.
Naomi....I always know what I am doing in the Polling booth ! I am no fair-weather Labour supporter !
The SNP are a left of centre political Party....why should they support the Tories ? If they oppose a Tory Government after the Election, they will only be carrying on what they are doing now. The clue is the name "opposition Parties" Surely, if there is any "chaos" after the Election, part of the reason will that dave cannot manage to achieve more than 1 Scottish Tory MP ?
I am genuinely puzzled by your assertion that if Ed is the PM after the Election, he will only last "5 mins" ? Why ?
If he loses the Election, than I accept that he won't last long as Leader. But that goes for dave as well, if he loses.
The SNP are a left of centre political Party....why should they support the Tories ? If they oppose a Tory Government after the Election, they will only be carrying on what they are doing now. The clue is the name "opposition Parties" Surely, if there is any "chaos" after the Election, part of the reason will that dave cannot manage to achieve more than 1 Scottish Tory MP ?
I am genuinely puzzled by your assertion that if Ed is the PM after the Election, he will only last "5 mins" ? Why ?
If he loses the Election, than I accept that he won't last long as Leader. But that goes for dave as well, if he loses.
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