suicide

[tamborine]

how can the lives of Alex McQueen & Kistian Digby be so despairing to drive them to suicide? They were both gay....is that too depressive to live with? My heart goes out to their families and friends who will feel such pain at their loss.

I have known two suicides of young men, drugs! The families still suffer ten years later; with well trodden paths to cemetries and hours spent sitting beside graves in ice cold, almost willing death on themselves. They age & grey instantly from shock. In one case, his gf hanged herself near the grave.

Suicide is never the answer as those left may follow in your path.

[pericat]

I agree tambo - what it does most of all is punish dreadfully those who are left behind

[wolf63]

Unless you have suffered from clinical depression it is impossible to understand how a person can see suicide as the only option.

Being so depressed that you no longer wish to continue living is a horrendous experience. Suicide is not a selfish act - it is an escape from mental torment and pain.

It must be hard for the people left behind - the family who feel that they should have seen the 'signs'.

[DrFilth]

agree with your first two sentences wolf.
not everyone has family or friends to leave behind. none of the people who i know who committed suicide were gay.

[gadgetgeek]

Thought they havn't given a cause of death yet? It's the 'arty' n 'creative' people that seem to take their own lives ( designers, musicians, actors etc) not just being gay. Wot ever the cause it us sad as seemingly a well liked person n good tv presenter.

[ummmm]

His death is still unexplained.

My Aunty committed suicide years back. She took a rake of tablets washed down with vodka. Her 2 daughters aged 12 and 2 found her in the morning.

[sara3]

I also agree with wolf. there were 2 suicides (unlinked) from my daughter's year at school last year, a boy and girl aged 15, within a few days.

it's tragic, but unless you're in that place there is no understanding the torment they must be going through.

[daffy654]

I haven't seen any cause of death listed in any of the reports for the death of Kristian Digby, how do you know it is suicide?
If that is what happened then at least he is at peace and no longer suffering, maybe those 'left behind' could consider that instead of thinking of themselves eh!

[Snafu03]

Could there be a more a selfish act of self indulgance? They need to look at the big picture is life so hard for ANY affluent westerner? Just switch on the news and see the poverty, famine victims of earthquakes etc. They need to pull themselves together dont they?

[ummmm]

Snafu03 - What a load of tosh. Depression is an illness.

[LoftyLottie]

Snafu. Too many people around that think like you. If you had ever suffered from clinical depression (I don't mean just feeling 'fed up') then you wouldn't make such statements. It is often very intelligent people and deep thinking people that commit suicide and is is often people in the arts and entertainment industry. Comediens are quite prone to it. It is often those who people would think are the least likely that suffer from depression.

It's a dreadful, dreadful illness - unlike something physical it doesn't show and people can be so unsympathetic.

Poor Kristian. We don't know yet if it was suicide. He was a flamboyant character and easy to like. RIP.

[LoftyLottie]

Tambo. I doubt very much that being gay had anything to do with either death.

[wolf63]

I have bipolar disorder - and have taken medication for 13+ years.

My psychiatrist says that the reason that humans suffer from clinical depression is that we all think too much - as Lottie says in her post.

I don't know anything about Kristian Digby but he was a young guy with his life ahead of him and his death is going to be hard on his family - regardless of the cause.

[Old_Geezer]

I do not agree that suicide is never the answer. Consider the fuss about assisted suicide at the moment. However it ought not be both the last and first course of action considered. Many have lived through a black period to be grateful for later experiences. Assistance to change life, and ones attitude towards it, should always be available from society; without judgement.

No it is not a selfish act of self indulgence. It is more of a selfish act to insist those who feel they can no longer bear living should be forced to do so for your own personal beliefs. Sure it is hard on family & friends, but they should not expect a family member or friend to continue in torment just for their sake. Love, and the desire for what is best for others, works in both directions.

Whether someone somewhere appears to be worse off that you, is not an issue. Should one be happy because someone somewhere is having to cope with greater hardship ? It is a nonsense comparison. Using that logic only one person in existence is "allowed" to feel despair at any one time.

The experience of life is not a black or white issue. It's value to an individual is measured by them in terms of perceived quality, not simply length.

[ummmm]

Well said.

[LoftyLottie]

Agreed.

I have suffered from anxiety and depression for as long as I can remember and take regular medication which helps to keep me balanced.

'Snap out of it' is not an option. Would that I could.

[DrFilth]

can a affluent westerner catch a common cold

[lilsecret]

Although there has been no official statement, the newspapers are already speculating

http://www.thesun.co....-game-went-wrong.html

[dothawkes31]

My brother-in-law took his own life in 2003 after living with his gay partner for 25 years and enjoying the best of life with everything he couldhope for, he had his own club in Fuengirola and moved in amazing circles, it made no sense at all to his family why he should do that when everythind seemed beyond anyone's dreams.