ursula62
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(16:09 on Tue 25/Jan/05)
My nephew and niece were both brought up vegetarian. For their birthday parties my sister used to do home made veggie mini pizzas (scone mix cut with tiny pastry cutters spread with tomato puree and a quarter of a kraft cheese square), mini hot dogs (the Kosher food company Tivall do party size hot dogs that are vegan), mini veggie burgers in buns, carrot sticks and some veggie dips (e.g. mild salsa, hoummous) as well as the usual crisps, twiglets, and home made cakes, vegetarian jelly and vegan icecream.
Few of my nephew and nieces schoolfriends were veggies but there was never any food left for the grownups!
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PunkDaddy
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(17:14 on Tue 25/Jan/05)
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Nice one, that's a great help, I'll get on to it now.
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ansteyg
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(17:14 on Tue 25/Jan/05)
I'm disturbed that you are inflicting your own eating habits on your children. It is your choice to deny yourself food groups why don't you give your children a similar choice. You may be vegetarian, how do you know your children are?
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PunkDaddy
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(17:59 on Tue 25/Jan/05)
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You inflict your eating habits on your children. They don't get a choice whether they eat meat or not. I have never eaten meat and I am 6' 3", well built, I am a computer programmer in C++, and I practice martial arts against meat eaters twice a week. In short, It never did me any harm.
If my children decide they want to eat meat when they grow up then they can, like meat eaters can decide to become vegetarian.
If I were you I would take the time to educate yourself about vegetarianism, it is not denying myself food groups, I get all my food groups, I just get them from a different source.
It is my sons 1st birthday, and he is a very heathly happy little boy, he is well above average height and bang on weight, he has bags of energy as he tires me out every night, so it is doing him the world of good. He will continnue to be a vegetarian until he decides otherwise, and his party will be entirely vegetarian.
I listen to things like this all the time, as I say i have been a vegetarian all my life so i really have heard it all before, it's not me who needs to change it's you, you need to get educated before speaking, eat meat all you want, just don't try and impose your ideals on me.
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ansteyg
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(10:23 on Wed 26/Jan/05)
You should take time to educate yourself look up omnivore.
I do not limit my children to certain food groups.
To inflict your beliefs on someone until they are old enough to decide you are wrong is no different what religion does, ie brain washing.
So you've never eaten meat, so your parents where also veggies then??
I know all about vegetarianism and I accept it is possible to get all the nutrients from veg but not easy you have to work at it. You have clearly acheived a state of health and understanding, well done. although where C++ comes into it I'm not sure. The norm among vegetarians though is generally palid and nutritionally deficient.
I'm not the one imposing ideals. I bet all the kids comming to your kids party are not vegentarians but you are going to feed them what you consider appropriate. I've only tried to point out the flaws in your hysterical approach.
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PunkDaddy
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(11:31 on Wed 26/Jan/05)
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It's exactly the same as forcing your child to eat meat you fool, it just depends which side of the fence your on. The C++ was to illustrate it has been of no detrement to my life to be a vegetarian. It is easy being a vegetarian, people who say it isn't eat meat.
You are judging my life by your ignorant ideals. I never said you limited your children, but you do FORCE them to eat meat, they do not CHOOSE to do that, you MAKE them do it, I never said they ate solely meat, but the difference between our diets is the meat factor.
Try and listen to what people are saying rather than what you think they are saying.
If you knew all about vegetarianism you wouldn't have come out with such a stupid comment, the fact is you think you know all about vegetarianism, and think you can tell a life long vegetarian more than they know.
I want to know where you get the statistic that the norm among vegetarians is palid and nutrient deficient, is that based on fact or is it, in fact, based on prejudice and stereoptype, i.e. based on ignorance. I am deficient in nothing mentally nor physically. My wife however, who eats meat, is anaemic so does that mean the norm among meat eaters (sorry omnivores) is that they are iron deficient.
Not all the kids coming to the party are vegetarian no, but I am not compromising my life long principals when I KNOW that vegetarian food is good for you. I will be making everything vegetarian, so that everyone can eat it, unlike at a meat eaters party where the vegetarian will have to be selective about what to eat.
You have failed in pointing out any flaws, you have only pointed out flaws in your knowledge and your general blinkered approach to life. You can continue to live your life by prejudice and stereotypes if you like but I would suggest opening your mind so you don't continue to look like an idiot.
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ansteyg
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(12:03 on Wed 26/Jan/05)
I don't "force" my children to eat meat, I give them the choice. You arbitrarily exclude an entire food group. I'm a "fool", I'm "ignorant" am I so you resort to name calling when your own argument cannnot stand debate! Ha Ha. Note that I have not resorted to personal insults and I have given no justifications for being a meat eater. you fell the need to tell me how tough and intelligent you are through not eating meat. Like you say look at what is actually said. I have given no information on my profession, physical makup etc but you feel that you can argue on self given expertise, I am not "ignorant"
I can come up with sources about my palid etc claims and indeed I will if you ask me but I detect with your attitude that you will not tolerate dissent in any form and simply dismiss them out of hand.
An organism that eats exculsively meat is a carnivore, an omnivore is an organism that eats anything across the spectrum of what is edible. An omnivore is the biological classification of human kind. Like I said I am not ignorant. I am not "blinkered", I am not excluding an entire food group on the basis what I would like to be true. Neither am I prejudiced you do what you want, I am concerned for what you are doing to you children.
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PunkDaddy
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(12:36 on Wed 26/Jan/05)
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I know what an omnivore is and what a carnivore is. As I said in my previous answer the difference between my diet and your diet is the meat factor. Should I be calling my self a herbivore, or would vegetarian be ok?
I am calling you names because what your saying is stupid, and your making me angry by being ignorant and making uneducated foolish comments. You obviously know nothing about herbivorism (did you like that).
You have forced your children to live the way you want them to live since they were born, every parent does.
It is not denying food groups, if you knew anything at all you would realise that, and if you read what I said you would let it penetrate your brain. The food groups are the nutrients you take from food not the food you eat. I don't see animals as food so i am not denying myself any type of food, I eat all the food there is to eat.
You can't present any valid information supporting your sterotypical claim about vegetarian deficiency, so you won't.
The reason you haven't felt the need to say anything about your physical appearance or job, is that you haven't come under attack for being different, I have never once said eating meat is wrong, it's just I choose not to.
Don't be worried about my children, they will grow up to be very healthy well rounded people who don't make judgements based on stereotypes and prejudice. I don't know if i can say the same for yours.
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ansteyg
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(12:52 on Wed 26/Jan/05)
No you are an omnivore, a sheep is a herbivore.
You are calling me names because you are angry. You see the worst thing you can do to someone with an ingrained beleif is disagree with them, I'm attempting a rational discussion, you are ranting because you refuse to entertain the possoibilty that you may be wrong. What I'm saying is only "Stupid" because you don't agree.
Because we are different to you, I am "forcing" my children to live a certain way, what are you doing??
I suspect any information supporting my claims will be immediately declared in"valid". Such is your inability to accept opposing views.
But you ARE attacking me for being different, I'm not giving personal details because they are peripheral to the real discussion. You feel the need to tell me you are a martial artist fighting meat eaters, presumably you mean successfully! Why to prove you are right or try and compensate for being wrong. Any way what martial art practises this segregation. Do all the meat eaters have to wear different coloured gear?!
Are VB programmers allowed to be Veggie or must they learn C++ first!
See how silly it sounds!
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georgeg
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(12:59 on Wed 26/Jan/05)
why cant you two respect each others food value views?????
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PunkDaddy
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(13:39 on Wed 26/Jan/05)
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I higlighted my attributes and the fact that I fight meat eaters to counter your claim vegetarians are in some way defficient. The C++ was to highlight the fact it has done me no mental harm. I wasn't saying anything about meat eaters before you piped up, and having said anythign negative about them since, just negative about you.
You are threatened by me choocing not to eat meat because you think it is in some way a critisism of your life, it is not, it is just how I choose to live my life.
If you had been near me I would have punched you repeatedly in the face because there is no point in talking to people like you. And I want to shut you up you are talking about a subject you know nothing about.
You are telling a life long vegetarian about vegetarianism, see how stupid that seems.
I can respect meat eaters, I married one, I just can't repsect that idiot.
Visual Basic isn't proper programming.
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PunkDaddy
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(13:44 on Wed 26/Jan/05)
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Oh and I said every parent forces their child to be how they want them to be, how they behave, what they eat, what they say. That includes me. i was pointing out I wasn't doing anythign differently to anyone else. I have said nothing about how you live your life just about you as a person. I feel sorry for your kids, they haven't got the best start in life with you as a parent.
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PunkDaddy
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(13:48 on Wed 26/Jan/05)
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Oh my god he is violent too, he is a violent vegetarian who thinks he is right, poor children, what's going to happen to them.
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beastman
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(13:53 on Wed 26/Jan/05)
I have to say PunkDaddy there is no need for you to get so angry. But ansteyg you really don't appear to have listened to a thing he has said.
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ursula62
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(14:02 on Wed 26/Jan/05)
Hey PunkDaddy
Don't let them bother you. There is plenty of evidence to show that a well balanced vegetarian diet provides all the nutrients a child needs. As long as your child is thriving and well cared for then other people's opinions aren't important.
I'm sure that as long as you don't labour the point of the party food being veggie nobody will have a problem with it and probably won't even notice the lack of meat. Kids don't really eat sandwiches at parties these days anyway!
If you want to offer stuff for the grown ups you can get veggie sausage rolls - sainsburys do their own brand and you can get linda mccartney ones too.
Ansteyg - my nephew *chose* to be a vegetarian when he was less than 2, at that time my sister still ate meat. He came home from nursery one day and said he didn't want to eat meat any more. Rather than face battles at the dinner table my sister researched it properly with the health visitor, got books from the library and also contacted the vegetarian society to make sure he wasn't going to miss out. She started by cooking veggie meals separately for him. Eventually the whole family went veggie as his food looked more appetising than the average child's diet of chicken nuggets, fish fingers and chips. He is now a strapping 19 year old and has never had any problems. And he still loves chips, beans and pizza just like any other teenager!
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PunkDaddy
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(14:22 on Wed 26/Jan/05)
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Sorry I just got very angry.
I won't labour the point of vegetarian food at the party, I won't even mention it. I have already bought some Linda Mcartney ones after your suggestion thanks Ursula62. They probably won't even be bothered about the food anyway.
Thanks for the suggestions, it's all coming together now.
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ansteyg
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(15:49 on Wed 26/Jan/05)
let's see, resorting to violence when losing an argument. I'll take that as a win for reason. No names no threat of violence no general insults, I've hammered you with reason. If necessary I'd hammer you with your own martial art. I'd love to be in the vacinity, I'm in Southampton worth a trip?? How old are you? I'm guessing mid 20's, unmarried just got a kid and you think you're a programmer because you did a 6 week computer awareness course. Which martial art do you do? Most of them do not advocate bully boy techniques, they tend to be a way of life, a way of thinking. I guess you joined because because you though it would make you "ard!".
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PunkDaddy
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(16:13 on Wed 26/Jan/05)
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Just read my previous posts to answer that, i can't be bothered trying any more ways to explain things to you, your repetetive and annoying, that's why i want to hit you, not because you won.
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beastman
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(16:16 on Wed 26/Jan/05)
Thank goodness for that.
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