Murder And Torture In Israel

[webbo3]

I hope those free palastine protesters in the uk  take a long hard look at themselves.

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-gaza-war-recovered-bodies-show-bloodthirsty-gunmen-took-time-over-torture-and-that-hamas-has-changed-12985212

https://news.sky.com/story/pm-says-six-britons-killed-and-10-missing-after-hamas-attack-on-israel-12985647

[ToraToraTora]

I suppose it will change anything with the Hamas fan club on here, webbo.

[webbo3]

i doubt it TTT.

[ToraToraTora]

18:15 should say "I don't suppose.....etc"

[webbo3]

i knew what you meant.

[wolf63]

TTT, there is no Hamas fan club on here.

What is happening is awful, Hamas are showing themselves to be evil.  We can all agree on that.

But there is no need to take sides, people are suffering on both sides of this pointless conflict.  There are heart wrenching stories in the media from both sides, some of which are propaganda.

 

Man's inhumanity to Man

 

[ToraToraTora]

wolf: "But there is no need to take sides" - there is an absolute need to take sides. I take the side of the victim that was attacked against the side of those that want to exterminate us all, the agressor the perpetrator of unimaginably depraved acts. I am amazed that you and others make no distinction.

[wolf63]

They have been at war for decades. There is hatred on both sides.

my sympathy goes to the innocents caught in the.

you should get your eyes tested, you only seem to see in black and white.  neither country is completely innocent in this conflict.  

the terrorists need to be eradicated and the two countries need to negotiate a peaceful settlement.  

 

[ToraToraTora]

Rubbish every attack is first from the muslims, Israel is defending itself. End of.

[Togo]

One of the perplexing things about all this is the people showing condemnation for the under seige Israelis were noticable in their absence in condemnation for the terrorist group hamas when they were slaughtering, and recording the torture, of innnocent women and children. The only noticeable acknowledgement, from them, manifested itself in a bout of dancing in the street and tub thumping. These same people are now filled with horror at the ensuing reaction and flooded with sympathy for the poor innocents. They even had the vile cheek to stage a march around our Cenetaph. We will indeed remember them.   

[ichkeria]

I'm not taking sides.

But Hamas must be destroyed.

That's just common sense.

I still deplore the Israeli settlers of the West Bank, although their methods are not those of actual terrorists 

[jno]

this has been going on for millennia, with God's encouragement

 When the trumpets sounded, the army shouted, and at the sound of the trumpet, when the men gave a loud shout, the wall collapsed; so everyone charged straight in, and they took the city. They devoted the city to the Lord and destroyed with the sword every living thing in it—men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep and donkeys.

A little genocide by the Israelites, all in their holy book.

[fraser]

muslims and jews have been killing christains for centuries, if they want to kill each other let then carry on, its not our war.

[Togo]

There were no muslims at the battle of Jericho they hadnt been invented then. Further to that the Israelites were not all Jewish.

 

[andy-hughes]

You cannot destroy an ideal, and that is what Hamas is, and what it wants.

It wants Israel obliterated and it will never stop trying to make that happen. 

You can flatten Gaza, and Israel will, but the ideal will never die.

[jno]

of course there weren't any Muslims at Jericho and no Christians either, and arguably only proto-Jews: that's what I'm saying, the enmity goes back centuries before that.

Joshua thought he'd exterminated the Canaanites as ordered by his war god. But he must have missed some, as Canaanite DNA has been found among the Lebanese population. Let's see if the Israelites cross the border to finish the job this time.

[naomi24]

I don't see the point of throwing this around and discussing the rights and wrongs of history.   The Palestinians have just  cause to feel resentment - I think they've been treated abysmally - but we are where we are, Israel exists, and understandably, Israel and the Jews will fight for its survival as it must.  We are now in a situation where Islamic terrorists - and make no mistake, regardless of what they call themselves, they are all of a similar mindset  and they all hate the west with a vengeance - literally - are attacking Israel on behalf of the Palestinians.   They are holding people, including children, hostage and they are slaughtering in the most barbaric ways - and that is what should be of paramount concern to the rest of the world right now.    The hand-wringing must stop, the idealism abandoned in favour of realistic consideration of the future, of thinking clearly and rationally about what sort of world peace-loving people want and, moreover, the sort of world we are in great danger of creating. 

 

Those people championing the Palestinian cause and marching around our cities in their thousands haven't really thought about what they're supporting - but if they get their wish they'll know - and they won't like it one bit.  Contrary to their misguided notions, radical Islam recognises no friends in the west.   Mr Corbyn and Co may be their friends  but when push comes to shove, they aren't his.  They regard those supporters as no more than useful idiots - and they are.  To see people dressed in uniforms resembling those of terrorist groups parading themselves around our Cenotaph makes my blood run cold.  I seriously fear for the future.

[youngmafbog]

Very well said Ick and Naomi.

Nothing more to add.