Arise Sir Gavin…No, Stop Laughing

[sp1814]

Do you think Gavin Williamson deserves to be knighted and if so why?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/gavin-williamson-knighthood-honours-list-b1922485.html

[pixie374]

Let's be honest, sp... if you found out that someone you knew, was actually a Lord, Lady, Dame, Duke... whatever, you wouldn't see them any differently.
What kind of people would take any notice of a title?

[douglas9401]

"What kind of people would take any notice of a title? "

People who know their place. :-)

[sevenOP]

I would turn down any of these signs of oppression sp1814.
Neither would I call Lizzie "ma'am" now any judge 'mi'lord' etc.

pixie374,- "What kind of people would take any notice of a title?
old Bess is still queen in Antigua and Barbuda, Australia, the Bahamas, Barbados, Belize, Canada, Grenada, Jamaica, New Zealand, Papua New Guinea, St. Kitts and Nevis, St. Lucia, St. Vincent and the Grenadines, the Solomon Islands, and Tuvalu.
I fear you are under not aware of the sheer servile , obsequious conformity that has been conditioned and inculcated into a huge mass of humanity... never seen the Japs, Chinese, Americans..... grovel in glee outside Buckie Place, Changing of the Guards, etc.
Do you realise how many 'Royal' families exist in Europe and beyond.

I would guesstimate 70- 90% on this forum that use News, R&S,Culture etc., would grovel/curtsy at the ex- Saxe-Coburg and Gotha gaze.

[Jackdaw33]

Traditionally, a knighthood given to a serving MP is a sign that his political career is at an end, so very appropriate in this case.

[andy-hughes]

If the Prime Minister wants to signpost his agreement with the ever-increasing redundancy of the honours system by offering yet another reward for failure, then this will do nicely.

[gulliver1]

15,28 In that case I can not wait for Boris to be given a Knighthood , bring it on.

[dannyk13]

Jack//is a sign that his political career is at an end, so very appropriate in this case.//
Not if he takes his seat in the House of Lords.

[sp1814]

pixie374

If I knew someone, I’d probably know of they’d been enobled.

But I get your point. I was once at a party where I got chatting to a very friendly bloke a few years ago. Later on I found out he was Baron Waheed.

And it DID make me think differently - not of him, but of barons in general.

He was so ‘ordinary’ and engaging that it made me rethink previous assumptions.

[Bazile]

Thanks for the BA sp

[Jackdaw33]

Further to my post at 15:28, the knighthood was also a sign that the recipient was not destined for the Lords.

[sevenOP]

^¬^ Full Pavlov's engraining, with an avian bent.

Wonder if he realizes ¿

[Peter Pedant]

// no, he was useless at his job//
dont tell me ( Line of Duty, Jed Mercurio) you can fail upwards?

yessirree, you certainly can....

anyway we proles dont get a 'no'vote in this innit?

(True story: I knew a nob who was promised, if you do this against your better judgement, your profession, your professional values, then you will get a knighthood.
and he did . and did get one as well

and it is true it is true - when I said well don, he replied
"Thank you for NOT saying, I know what you did to get this."

Sir Tufton Bufton, still alive so I have to be .... careful ]

[Peter Pedant]

the knighthood was also a sign that the recipient was not destined for the Lords.

wella lodda CBEs think they should have been knighted - evelyn waugh turned one down on this grounds. ( think he was right)

awful lodda knights who thought their work deserved a lordship. - you know where they could go on being a govt supporter....
Sir Donald Irvine - great reformer of the GCM was QUITE sure where he should end his days. so was leddy Irvine....

as a Sir, you dont get reductions and they charge more to boot

[sevenOP]

We all probably encounter some filthy slime in our living PP.

How it didn't affect your syn-tax. [ ; ¤

[sevenOP]

How read hope ...

Spittin' urinating or defecating on yir corrupt er, acquaintance PP would have been,emm, nice.

[david small]

Knotted, not knighted…..

[fcc]

^^ ^^
Or put on the night shift.

[Peter Pedant]

// Spittin' urinating or defecating on your corrupt er, acquaintance PP would have been, erm, nice.//

Sir ( for it is he): I need to spend a penny - - That will be 6d sir,

Dean swift was particularly scatological - BUT sir turned up unbidden later to a meeting at the Min, and we all said what are you doing here?
and he said - representing you !
and we said no you arent and turfed him out ....
(no expenses so he didnt do that again)