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"What there is, is an unsatisfactory feeling that a referendum result has been unable to be carried out,..." Politicians have not been unable to carry it out. They have been unwilling to do so. There was lots of talk about what Leavers did not vote for in the referendum. Well they voted to end our membership and it was made quite clear what that would mean. They...
14:20 Sat 23rd Mar 2019
Lol, great rant, AOG.
It will get a lot worse than overcrowding issues.

David Starkey wrote a good piece last week on historical issues and Brexit.

Just as nobody can predict how Britain will be affected by the issues of Brexit per se,equally nobody knows the extent of the damage that will happen from dissenters.
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Well it's got the Mayor's blessing, if it had been a Right Wing protest, it would have been banned or violently opposed by the Left Wing.
This sort of thing amuses me.

Had the referendum result returned a "Remain" verdict, life would have gone on, we'd have been told "That's that then" and the last two or three years would have been uneventful. There would be no protests on the streets, no petitions and most certainly no "considerations" being made for the 48% who voted to leave.

So why all this?
If more than 17 million turn out I'll concede they have a point!
The point being there's a load of undemocratic citizens around in the UK who want a second vote in the hope of the nation/government flip flopping, and thus having no respect given us by the other nations ?
I would be willing to bet that there is now a substantial majority of people in the UK who oppose leaving the EU.
While I accept that that does not of itself invalidate the referendum result, it seriously undermines in my eyes the claim that there is a
large or even a less than large majority willing us to leave.
What there is, is an unsatisfactory feeling that a referendum result has been unable to be carried out, for whatever reason, along with a desire on all sides for the crisis to be over.
NJ, prior to the referendum when he thought he'd lose, Nigel Farage, said, "In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way."

There is no way he would not have campaigned for a second vote if Remain had won by the same margin.
NJ - probably and David Cameron would have been in post rather longer saving us from Mrs May in the role....
"What there is, is an unsatisfactory feeling that a referendum result has been unable to be carried out,..."

Politicians have not been unable to carry it out. They have been unwilling to do so. There was lots of talk about what Leavers did not vote for in the referendum. Well they voted to end our membership and it was made quite clear what that would mean. They did not vote to replace it with an alternative form of membership which is what Mrs May's "deal" (and most of the other hare-brained alternatives that have been bandied about) amounts to.
Ich,//I would be willing to bet that there is now a substantial majority of people in the UK who oppose leaving the EU. //
I would not bet on it,I have seen at least two polls that disagree with you.
Ich //I would be willing to bet that there is now a substantial majority of people in the UK who oppose leaving the EU.//

Is that because of a genuine change of mind or simply because Mrs May made a complete hash of it all and they are just sick to the back teeth of it?

"Nigel Farage, said, "In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way."..."

Then I imagine he'd be pretty lonely because few in Parliament would have joined him. But more to the point (and I keep asking) what accommodation would have been made for the 48% who voted to leave under that scenario? Would an alternative form of membership have been negotiated to satisfy their disappointment?
Lots of reasons ag, including the v popular one here that there is a massive majority of younger people against leaving and, well, you know what implies ...
Mind you the oldest person I know is 103 and he’s a fervent fan of the EU
V “unpopular”
"that there is a massive majority of younger people against leaving "

I am very doubtful of that. Many young people I know are for leaving, although they are very cautious about who they say it to. In reality it is impossible to say, no doubt leave and remain were spread right across the age ranges.

The other problem I have noticed is that you remainers thing that leaving the EU will stop them travelling across Europe. There was a big row about it in our office the other day - between two young people !!
"Nigel Farage, said, "In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way.""

This keeps cropping up and getting answered. Of course a no change result would result in believers of leaving still trying to convince others, in the hope of a further vote on the issue later. But no one seriously thinks anyone would campaign for it to be re-voted on before it actually occurs and it's long term consequences judgeable. Start coming back with that Farage quote in a decade or two; preferably three or four. Being in was that long and more.
"Start coming back with that Farage quote in a decade or two; preferably three or four. Being in was that long and more"

How long did Rees-Mogg say it would be before we started to see any benefit from leaving?
Don't much care what his estimate was. We'll be on the up and up, and more importantly free to run ourselves and make our own agreements with the other nations. Anything worthwhile has cost, no good running scared of it. Let's get on with it and see how quickly we are back.
Where is all this "younger voters want to stay" coming from? All the under 25s I know, except one (my daughter...) voted to leave. The rest is presumption, there were no ages asked for on the slips.

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