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/// 'The treatment by some towards these young refugees is hideously racist and utterly heartless. What's happening to our country?' ///
But then Lineker has always been supportive of 'Walkers'. :0)
/// 'The treatment by some towards these young refugees is hideously racist and utterly heartless. What's happening to our country?' ///
But then Lineker has always been supportive of 'Walkers'. :0)
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“No one objects to genuine lone vulnerable children being
16:43 Thu 20th Oct 2016
“If they were your kids would you want them to be half helped in these countries or have all the benefits that living in the U.k would bring?”
If they were my kids, Lunol, they would be with me and/or their mother.
I’m sorry you find my remarks disgusting, but they are a matter of fact. The rules are that asylum should be claimed in the first safe country the claimant arrives in. That is never the UK (unless they arrive by air) and hardly ever France. Once they fail to claim asylum in the first safe country they lose their right to immunity from action for entering a country illegally and are simply illegal immigrants (as per Article 31 of the UN’s 1951 Convention on the status of refugees). It is the EU and its ridiculous Schengen Agreement that has given migrants the freedom to roam across the continent seeking a destination of their choice and the UK’s refusal to sign that agreement that has led to them congregating in Calais. Tough, but nonetheless a fact.
The fact that other European nations tend to ignore their responsibilities towards these people in no way shifts the burden to the UK. You may enjoy a good feeling by being taken for a ride, not only by the illegal immigrants but also France. Many people here do not. When France (and the rest of the EU) signed up to Schengen, adequate and clear warnings were voiced that, whilst the agreement would indeed provide freedom of movement for people entitled to be in the EU, it would also provide the same freedom for people who were not so entitled. Those warnings were ignored, the chickens have come home to roost and most of mainland Europe now faces a problem of epic proportions. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever why the results of their folly should be visited upon the UK.
If they were my kids, Lunol, they would be with me and/or their mother.
I’m sorry you find my remarks disgusting, but they are a matter of fact. The rules are that asylum should be claimed in the first safe country the claimant arrives in. That is never the UK (unless they arrive by air) and hardly ever France. Once they fail to claim asylum in the first safe country they lose their right to immunity from action for entering a country illegally and are simply illegal immigrants (as per Article 31 of the UN’s 1951 Convention on the status of refugees). It is the EU and its ridiculous Schengen Agreement that has given migrants the freedom to roam across the continent seeking a destination of their choice and the UK’s refusal to sign that agreement that has led to them congregating in Calais. Tough, but nonetheless a fact.
The fact that other European nations tend to ignore their responsibilities towards these people in no way shifts the burden to the UK. You may enjoy a good feeling by being taken for a ride, not only by the illegal immigrants but also France. Many people here do not. When France (and the rest of the EU) signed up to Schengen, adequate and clear warnings were voiced that, whilst the agreement would indeed provide freedom of movement for people entitled to be in the EU, it would also provide the same freedom for people who were not so entitled. Those warnings were ignored, the chickens have come home to roost and most of mainland Europe now faces a problem of epic proportions. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever why the results of their folly should be visited upon the UK.
Lunol. //someone escaping a war torn 3rd world country hell hole, where there is no electricity, no internet, hardly any food or water and is being rained on with bombs, are at risk from being blown up, executed or kidnapped by terrorists //
Very many of these people were never in that position. They're economic migrants - chancers you might say.
Very many of these people were never in that position. They're economic migrants - chancers you might say.
Naomi24 I'll answer this quickly as I have to go out.
"Perhaps - but they're telling them the truth about our benefits system being one of the easiest - and before you say 'it isn't' - it is."
You've obviously misread or misunderstood my post.
I'm saying that the people smugglers dangle that carrot in front of the immigrants along with housing, healthcare and including benefits which ARE all much more easier obtainable and more lucrative then from our European counterparts even though we're overloaded and bursting to the seams.
New Judge I'll respond to your post when I come back later as must rush off out now.
"Perhaps - but they're telling them the truth about our benefits system being one of the easiest - and before you say 'it isn't' - it is."
You've obviously misread or misunderstood my post.
I'm saying that the people smugglers dangle that carrot in front of the immigrants along with housing, healthcare and including benefits which ARE all much more easier obtainable and more lucrative then from our European counterparts even though we're overloaded and bursting to the seams.
New Judge I'll respond to your post when I come back later as must rush off out now.
To save you looking up all the rules upon your return, Lunol, here is an extract from Article 31 which I mentioned:
Article 31- refugees unlawfully in the country of refuge
1. The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their illegal entry or presence, on refugees who, coming directly from a territory where their life or freedom was threatened in the sense of article 1, enter or are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present
themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their illegal entry or presence.
Note the provisions “…coming directly from a territory where their life or freedom was threatened..” and “…provided they present themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their illegal entry or presence.”
The migrants themselves may not be privy to these rules but it is incumbent upon the receiving nations to acquaint them with them.
Article 31- refugees unlawfully in the country of refuge
1. The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their illegal entry or presence, on refugees who, coming directly from a territory where their life or freedom was threatened in the sense of article 1, enter or are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present
themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their illegal entry or presence.
Note the provisions “…coming directly from a territory where their life or freedom was threatened..” and “…provided they present themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their illegal entry or presence.”
The migrants themselves may not be privy to these rules but it is incumbent upon the receiving nations to acquaint them with them.
Sorry Vulcan42, I meant earlier as was getting ready to go out. I certainly would be interested in reading them. Could you provide and c&p or link as don't want to download a long pdf on my phone which I'll use later to read the rules but as I said immigrants aren't interested in rules just in getting to the "Promised land" and shovelling the the free cash which line our streets into bags which the people smugglers have obviously promised them.
Sorry Newjudge didn't see your post as on a smaller screen now.
"If they were my kids, Lunol, they would be with me and/or their mother"
Unfortunately not a privilege if they were killed by a bomb, taken by the army or terrorist organisation or if you were split up or only had enough money to send 1 or 2 via the people smugglers.
"Article 31- refugees unlawfully in the country of refuge
1. The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their illegal entry or presence, on refugees who, coming directly from a territory where their life or freedom was threatened in the sense of article 1, enter or are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present
themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their illegal entry or presence.
Note the provisions “…coming directly from a territory where their life or freedom was threatened..” and “…provided they present themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their illegal entry or presence.”
The migrants themselves may not be privy to these rules but it is incumbent upon the receiving nations to acquaint them with them."
The receiving nations are indeed acquainted but are happy to let them ease through their countries and be gently pushed and helped towards the U.k so we can take their burden and as I said previously
"immigrants aren't interested in rules just in getting to the "Promised land" and shovelling the the free cash which line our streets into bags which the people smugglers have obviously promised them"
Will carry this on later as busy now.
"If they were my kids, Lunol, they would be with me and/or their mother"
Unfortunately not a privilege if they were killed by a bomb, taken by the army or terrorist organisation or if you were split up or only had enough money to send 1 or 2 via the people smugglers.
"Article 31- refugees unlawfully in the country of refuge
1. The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their illegal entry or presence, on refugees who, coming directly from a territory where their life or freedom was threatened in the sense of article 1, enter or are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present
themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their illegal entry or presence.
Note the provisions “…coming directly from a territory where their life or freedom was threatened..” and “…provided they present themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their illegal entry or presence.”
The migrants themselves may not be privy to these rules but it is incumbent upon the receiving nations to acquaint them with them."
The receiving nations are indeed acquainted but are happy to let them ease through their countries and be gently pushed and helped towards the U.k so we can take their burden and as I said previously
"immigrants aren't interested in rules just in getting to the "Promised land" and shovelling the the free cash which line our streets into bags which the people smugglers have obviously promised them"
Will carry this on later as busy now.
Lunol
/// The people smugglers must be rubbing their hands in glee at the "lambs their sending to their slaughter" ///
If it is "sending them to their slaughter" for them to come to this country, then perhaps it would be much more kinder when they arrive here, for them to be sent straight back from whence they came?
/// The people smugglers must be rubbing their hands in glee at the "lambs their sending to their slaughter" ///
If it is "sending them to their slaughter" for them to come to this country, then perhaps it would be much more kinder when they arrive here, for them to be sent straight back from whence they came?
"If it is "sending them to their slaughter" for them to come to this country, then perhaps it would be much more kinder when they arrive here, for them to be sent straight back from whence they came?"
Anotheolgit, this was said in a metaphorical sense and if we " sent straight back from whence they came" as you so quaintly put it would then take on the physical sense which in essence would make us conspirators to murder.
Will carry this on later as internet will now be turned off.
Anotheolgit, this was said in a metaphorical sense and if we " sent straight back from whence they came" as you so quaintly put it would then take on the physical sense which in essence would make us conspirators to murder.
Will carry this on later as internet will now be turned off.
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