Is Everyone Who Disagrees With Abortion Evil?

[vetuste_ennemi]

I've just been told as much.
I have a subsidiary question: why are some people (whether through bigotry, lack of education, or poverty of imagination I don't know) unable to accept that people who disagree with them may do so for honorable and decent reasons?

[Retrochic]

andy "I do not wish to put forward a view that anyone who opposes abortion is 'nasty' or 'evil'

excuse me? you wrote the very thing on a post I've just been reading about Britain First.

[vetuste_ennemi]

"I couldn't answer the'Are you pro or anti?' question without caveats.".

You're rather more moderate than the moderator then, Mamya.

[andy-hughes]

vetuste - I am thinking this out as the thread develops, and I see I have painted myself into an unpleasantly narrow-minded corner here.

Please allow me to start over.

I do not think that anyone is 'evil' for their views for or against abortion.

I believe it is a massively difficult ethical and moral dilemma which is tragically faced by women every day.

I also believe that the view of people who hold a blanket 'anti-abortion' option are misguided.

I hope that has cleared up any confusion - I did get a bit carried away with the 'nasty' adjective on the 'Britain First' thread, and brought it over here, where it really has no viable place.

I shall be clearing up any misunderstanding over there in due course.

[Jackdaw33]

This what Retro and DB are referring to:

"My view is that anti-abortionists are very nasty people, and of course, I am entitled to hold that view".

[Mamyalynne]

My RC upbringing aside,I see life as it is - I have spoken to a young woman who gladly announced this was her third abortion and it was 'Like falling off a log' whilst at my other elbow sat a young lady recovering from a hysterectomy meaning she could not bear the child she longed for.


I have also known other instances where the choice has been desperately sad for all concerned on health grounds.

[andy-hughes]

Retrochic - //andy "I do not wish to put forward a view that anyone who opposes abortion is 'nasty' or 'evil'

excuse me? you wrote the very thing on a post I've just been reading about Britain First. //

Indeed I did, and as my previous post confirms, I am retracting that view, and offer apologies if I caused any offence.

[Retrochic]

painted yourself into a very narrow-minded corner? -what a load of bolony! you made a statement on another thread and are now trying to back-track and even say you did'nt say/mean it.

[andy-hughes]

Jackdaw - //This what Retro and DB are referring to:

"My view is that anti-abortionists are very nasty people, and of course, I am entitled to hold that view". //

Indeed - I have allowed my emotions to get the better of me, for which I apologise, and withdraw the statement.

[Retrochic]

andy you seem to have very serious passive aggressive problems here -an observation rather than accusation. Certain persons are trying to have a debate while you seem to be backtracking and blaming other people for your errors ie 'not understanding'. makes uncomfortable reading actually.

[andy-hughes]

Retrochic - //painted yourself into a very narrow-minded corner? -what a load of bolony! you made a statement on another thread and are now trying to back-track and even say you did'nt say/mean it. //

The entire purpose of debate is for people to exchange their viewpoints, and those exchanges do not always go according to plan.

People can, and do change their position throughout a discussion - as I have done here.

I see nothing wrong with admitting that my initial vocabulary was misjudged, I have withdrawn the remark and apologised - everyone makes mistakes - this was one of mine.

[andy-hughes]

Retrochic - //andy you seem to have very serious passive aggressive problems here -an observation rather than accusation. //

I would disagree with that view, but there we are.

Certain persons are trying to have a debate while you seem to be backtracking and blaming other people for your errors ie 'not understanding'. makes uncomfortable reading actually. //

Hopefully my post previous to this one answers that point.

[andy-hughes]

divebuddy - //Andy, I expect you can now see what I meant be not thinking things through. //

On this occasion - absolutely guilty as charged - no argument at all.

[ummmm]

Not everyone who disagrees with abortion are nasty but many certainly have a nasty side. It works both ways though.

[mibn2cweus]

With regards to some anti-abortion activists I am a pro-retroactive-abortionist.

[birdie1971]

^ That's very clever Mibs. And highly quotable. I'm nicking that! ;-)

[vetuste_ennemi]

I think MIbs is saying that "some" people who oppose abortion ought to have been killed at or before birth. Which may be clever, but not necessarily nice.

[Theland]

He's just putting a nice shine on his ego.

[birdie1971]

VE

Thanks for your concern but trust me, I know what Mibs was saying. It was a joke and I got it. He was being darkly sarcastic and I was joining him in that dark sarcasm, hence the,

;-)

at the end of my post.