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Has Bojo Got A Point?
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"What constitutes a "valid" Brexit, and how important is it to achieve if the price is economically damaging?" One that restores control over our borders, laws, money and trade. The Chequers plan does none of that. (Even freedom of movement is mentioned with a proviso that EU citizens will still be free to live and work here - with conditions that will be...
17:26 Sun 09th Sep 2018
Yes he has a point. The "Chequers" plan will see the UK permanently as a vassal state of the EU. Among (many) other things it involves:
“The UK will "maintain a common rulebook for all goods" with the EU, including agricultural products, after Brexit.” [So basically UK manufacturers who have no dealings with EU countries will still be bound by EU standards].
“A treaty will be signed committing the UK to "continued harmonisation" with EU rules - avoiding friction at the UK-EU border, including Northern Ireland.” [As above]
“Parliament will oversee the UK's trade policy and have the ability to "choose" to diverge from the EU rules, "recognising that this would have consequences".” [And what will we do when those “consequences” have been clarified]
"Different arrangements" will be organised for services "where it is in our interests to have regulatory flexibility".[Which the EU will not countenance, so one proviso that is in our favour will be quietly ditched]
“…decisions by UK courts would involve "due regard paid to EU case law in areas where the UK continued to apply a common rulebook". [Again, as above]
“The borders between the UK and EU will be treated as a "combined customs territory". [Thus keeping us in “a” Customs Union if not “The” Customs Union]
“The UK would apply domestic tariffs and trade policies for goods intended for the UK, but charge EU tariffs and their equivalents for goods which will end up heading into the EU.” [So, collecting their taxes for them – a bureaucratic encumbrance]
There are stacks more besides this in the 100 page document (of which I’ve read about a quarter). The package – even if it were accepted in its entirety by the EU, which it hasn’t a chance of – involves the UK acquiescing to just about every condition of our current membership. It’s quite right to describe it as a “suicide vest”. The only difference is that suicide vests usually take out the person who activates it.
“The UK will "maintain a common rulebook for all goods" with the EU, including agricultural products, after Brexit.” [So basically UK manufacturers who have no dealings with EU countries will still be bound by EU standards].
“A treaty will be signed committing the UK to "continued harmonisation" with EU rules - avoiding friction at the UK-EU border, including Northern Ireland.” [As above]
“Parliament will oversee the UK's trade policy and have the ability to "choose" to diverge from the EU rules, "recognising that this would have consequences".” [And what will we do when those “consequences” have been clarified]
"Different arrangements" will be organised for services "where it is in our interests to have regulatory flexibility".[Which the EU will not countenance, so one proviso that is in our favour will be quietly ditched]
“…decisions by UK courts would involve "due regard paid to EU case law in areas where the UK continued to apply a common rulebook". [Again, as above]
“The borders between the UK and EU will be treated as a "combined customs territory". [Thus keeping us in “a” Customs Union if not “The” Customs Union]
“The UK would apply domestic tariffs and trade policies for goods intended for the UK, but charge EU tariffs and their equivalents for goods which will end up heading into the EU.” [So, collecting their taxes for them – a bureaucratic encumbrance]
There are stacks more besides this in the 100 page document (of which I’ve read about a quarter). The package – even if it were accepted in its entirety by the EU, which it hasn’t a chance of – involves the UK acquiescing to just about every condition of our current membership. It’s quite right to describe it as a “suicide vest”. The only difference is that suicide vests usually take out the person who activates it.
What constitutes a "valid" Brexit, and how important is it to achieve if the price is economically damaging?
It's pretty clear that, anyway, Boris's main interest in writing articles like this is to undermine the leadership so that he can step in. That's always been his goal, which in turn makes it very difficult for me to take anything he says seriously to start with.
I'm not a fan of the Chequers deal either, but I tend to give Theresa May at least the credit of trying to achieve Brexit. Although she hasn't succeeded by your standards (yet), that's because those standards were impossible to achieve to start with, rather than because she's betraying the people.
It's pretty clear that, anyway, Boris's main interest in writing articles like this is to undermine the leadership so that he can step in. That's always been his goal, which in turn makes it very difficult for me to take anything he says seriously to start with.
I'm not a fan of the Chequers deal either, but I tend to give Theresa May at least the credit of trying to achieve Brexit. Although she hasn't succeeded by your standards (yet), that's because those standards were impossible to achieve to start with, rather than because she's betraying the people.
"Although she hasn't succeeded by your standards (yet), that's because those standards were impossible to achieve to start with, rather than because she's betraying the people. "
She has managed to pee off leavers and remainers, quite some feat, by actually trying to do a deal worse than the one we were in before the vote. She IS betraying those that voted to leave and many of those that voted to stay. Staying but in a worse position was not on the voting slip I had that is for sure.
She has managed to pee off leavers and remainers, quite some feat, by actually trying to do a deal worse than the one we were in before the vote. She IS betraying those that voted to leave and many of those that voted to stay. Staying but in a worse position was not on the voting slip I had that is for sure.
Well, you're all welcome to paint May as treasonous if you like, but in reality she's been trapped by circumstance.
Brexit was, is, and always will be impossible to deliver in the manner you all seem to want -- and I have no doubt that if you actually had a role in it, rather than just heckling from the sidelines, you'd discover that for yourself too.
Brexit was, is, and always will be impossible to deliver in the manner you all seem to want -- and I have no doubt that if you actually had a role in it, rather than just heckling from the sidelines, you'd discover that for yourself too.
"rexit was, is, and always will be impossible to deliver in the manner you all seem to want"
Why - just leave. WE had two years.
And strnagley if she had made plans to leave undoubtedly the EU would have wanted some arrangement. She is worse than useless as are many remaininacs who just dont seem to understand how to negotiate.
Why - just leave. WE had two years.
And strnagley if she had made plans to leave undoubtedly the EU would have wanted some arrangement. She is worse than useless as are many remaininacs who just dont seem to understand how to negotiate.
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