Should May Have Sought Parliamentary Approval?

[Khandro]

She has entirely lost my support - such as it was- and will not lose any sleep over that perhaps, but there seems to be gathering condemnation at home and abroad e.g.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/14/syria-missile-raid-may-faces-anger-trump-declares-mission-accomplished

[jim360]

It's " Новичо́к" in Russian -- not sure how else you can transliterate that really.

[Jackdaw33]

Well that flies in the face of all spelling rules. Новичек would be how I would spell it but still pronounce it as 'chock' at the end.

[dannyk13]

Khandro
//A side issue but, how do you obliterate novichok etc. by dropping bombs?//
I am prepared to accept the statement of the US General in charge of this raid that the chemical factory was destroyed without endangering anyone from the chemicals.Unlike you who accepts nothing that doesn't come out of the mouth of Corbyn.

[jim360]

Is it maybe a more modern spelling? At any rate it's probably the least important debate on this thread.

[Jackdaw33]

How did you get that spelling? чо is an absolute no-no. I agree that this is sheer trivia.

[jim360]

Granted, Wikipedia isn't necessarily the best source, but I also have a Russian coursebook and that suggests that it's only the un-stressed "o" that the rule to which you refer applies.

So I think Новичо́к is fine, because the "o" is the stressed syllable.

[Jackdaw33]

Well your course book is wrong. ч, ж, ш, щ can never be followed by O. The rule to which you refer applies only to ц, which can be followed by a stressed O, otherwise E.

[jim360]

And yet it's my spelling that's in the dictionary, so... are you sure about that?

[Jackdaw33]

Sorry, that rule also applies to ш.

[jim360]

e.g

http://www.auburn.edu/~mitrege/russian/tutorials/0028.html

(note the "unstressed" in the rule to which you refer).

Or

http://www.russianlessons.net/grammar/spelling_rules.php

(again, note the "unstressed").

http://www.russianlessons.net/grammar/spelling_rules.php

"Rule 5: After ш ж щ ч ц write o if that syllable is accented and e if it is not..."

So, yeah... I think my coursebook is fine, thanks.

[jim360]

That last link was meant to be

https://www.alphadictionary.com/rusgrammar/spelling.html

[Jackdaw33]

I'm certain about that but I'm wrong about ш as it can be followed by O whether stressed or unstressed The word 'шоколад (chocolate) comes to mind. It is 43 years since I got my degree!

[jim360]

I hope you don't mind, though -- whether or not it's trivial, it's more fun to me to argue over spellings than it is to fuss about whether May should have done this or not.

I'm not sure Russian is known for its flexibility but with so many sources it's hard to see how they can all be wrong. Perhaps 43 years has had an impact? Either way, I would love to learn Russian properly (and not because we may soon *have* to speak it).

[Jackdaw33]

Too long ago now. I agree with ш ж ц but I have never seen any word in writing where O follows щ ч. In any case an unstressed O can follow ш as in my example above. However let's not derail this thread any further.

[jim360]

I think Khandro would be proud of how much fun we are having with Russian, since he seems so in love with Putin these days... :)

[Khandro]

jim; and don't forget Corbyn ;0)
btw, are you prepared to pronounce on the OP?

[jim360]

I effectively just did, albeit in another thread.

[david small]

No I do not and will not support May’s decision. She is not up to the job, and would be better painting a fence rather than sitting on it.

[Baldric]

She's not sitting on the fence, is she?

[Jackdaw33]

She can't sit on the fence because COB is already there.