Religion No Excuse For Gay Discrimination

[Zacs-Master]

In a similar case to Cakegate, a court in the US has ruled that discrimination against gays on religious grounds isn't lawful:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/16/us/florist-discrimination-gay-couple-washington-court.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=second-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

[andy-hughes]

Gromit - I am sure that the notion that this lady would murder people who transgress in her eyes (or at least in the eyes of her God) is somewhat over the top.

The essence of the point raised is discrimination born of bigotry.

Bigotry is unacceptable, and the core religion of the bigot is really not the issue.

So it renders pointless the 'What about Muslims?' aspect that the thread is developing - their bigotry is wrong, but pointing that out does not mitigate this woman's actions. It simply places her in the same strata of religious thinking - that of a bigot.

To conclude - faith and differences in belief are not the point here - discrimination and bigotry are, so perceived shifts in emphasis are really not taking us anywhere.

[Samjenko]

///Did you know that Islamic State throw gay people off of tall buildings for fun?

I am sure this christian florist would do the same given half a chance, ///

Doubt it. When was the last time any Christian did that?

[Gromit]

Samjenko

I am sure they want to.

If she didn't have a busy florists shop to run, who knows what atrocities she might commit.

[andy-hughes]

Gromit - //Samjenko

I am sure they want to.

If she didn't have a busy florists shop to run, who knows what atrocities she might commit. //

Either you are being sarcastic, or you are attributing dreadful behavioural impulses to someone who has shown not the slightest evidence of possessing them.

[pastafreak]

Apparently they were/are long standing customers of hers...she'd done flowers for them many times. In this case she felt she could not as she did not support gay marriage.
So I doubt she had any desire to throw them off the highest building in town...

[Gromit]

// So I doubt she had any desire to throw them off the highest building in town //

Impossible to prove. People indocrinated in these barbaric faiths may not want to kill gays, but their holy books tell them they will go to hell if they don't.

[anotheoldgit]

That is the whole point that Talbot is making, some constantly jump to their keyboard so as to rave and rant regarding the Christian Church views on homosexuality, but have an hissy fit if one dares to mention the much more disgusting approach that Islam has towards gays.

"Oh, no don't mention it", " we are not discussing Muslims", "start your own thread" on it, etc etc. they are quick to spout.

It is this kind of one sided approach, that creates tensions and ill feeling between religions and races.

Minority groups can also be bigoted, can also be racist, and most certainly can be very homophobic.

[anotheoldgit]

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/muslim-bakers-dont-want-to-make-your-gay-wedding-cake-either-where-are-the

[andy-hughes]

AOG - //That is the whole point that Talbot is making, some constantly jump to their keyboard so as to rave and rant regarding the Christian Church views on homosexuality, but have an hissy fit if one dares to mention the much more disgusting approach that Islam has towards gays.

"Oh, no don't mention it", " we are not discussing Muslims", "start your own thread" on it, etc etc. they are quick to spout. //

I think tis view is a matter of perception, rather than fact.

Asking people to stick to the thread and OP is not the same as avoiding or defending extreme Muslim attitudes to homosexuality, or asking for it not to be discussed.

[jackthehat]

AOG - I am completely aware of how (many) Muslims view me and I really don't need to compare and contrast the treatment we are subjected to by other sections of society against that we can expect from Muslims.
Because Muslims are barbaric in their treatment of homosexuals doesn't mitigate from the shabby, intolerant and shameful treatment we can expect at the hands of less murderous sections of society.

And it will become tedious in the extreme if we have to qualify or justify any posts we make on such treatment with sentiments akin to "......but it could be so much worse if we lived in a Muslim society, so perhaps we should be grateful for these small transgessions rather than being thrown of a tall building."

[Jackdaw33]

What a load of fuss over nothing. Why didn't they just go to another flower shop?

[anotheoldgit]

Jackdaw33

Then they wouldn't have had the chance to get their own particular agenda over.

[andy-hughes]

jacxdaw - //What a load of fuss over nothing. Why didn't they just go to another flower shop? //

If you went to a flower shop run by Muslims, and bought flowers from them on a regular basis, and considered yourself a good customer, and then they refused to make your wedding bouquet because they didn't approve of your Christian marriage - would you shrug your shoulders and go somewhere else?

I have to say I would not - but if you think the appropriate response to illegal discrimination is to simply say nothing and walk away, then you can consider yourself partly responsible for the fact that discrimination thrives and multiplies, because no-one does anything about it.

[andy-hughes]

AOG - //Jackdaw33

Then they wouldn't have had the chance to get their own particular agenda over. //

Never let the fact that people have broken the law get in the way of the fact that the victims are only concerned with their 'agenda'.

[Gromit]

// ...but have an hissy fit if one dares to mention the much more disgusting approach that Islam has towards gays. //

Utter cobblers of course.
No one on here has supported the muslim religion's attitude to gays. When they do murder someone for being gay, no one applauds it or excuses it.

[Jackdaw33]

//If you went to a flower shop run by Muslims, and bought flowers from them on a regular basis, and considered yourself a good customer, and then they refused to make your wedding bouquet because they didn't approve of your Christian marriage - would you shrug your shoulders and go somewhere else? \\

That's precisely what I would do because I would be wanting flowers, not my 15 minutes of fame spent in absurd posturing.

[andy-hughes]

jackdaw - //That's precisely what I would do because I would be wanting flowers, not my 15 minutes of fame spent in absurd posturing. //

Then you and I - and others - must agree to differ.

I see people standing up for their rights when they have been illegally discriminated against, you see 'absurd posturing'.

It's good job people like Rosa Parkes were willing to indulge in a little 'absurd posturing' - because it is simple actions like that which change the world in which we live, for the better.

It's easy to walk away, but that doesn't make it the right thing to do.

[youngmafbog]

Religion, the root of most evil IMHO.

Have you been on the sauce early today Gromit?

[Samjenko]

'It's easy to walk away, but that doesn't make it the right thing to do.'

Ah, but it often does.

[anotheoldgit]

The Muslim apologists are so hypocritical, they are quick to accuse others of diverting a thread, when some dare to mention Muslims.

But when such things as the Muslim child grooming gangs are under discussion, they themselves are quick to state "yes but what about our own groomers" or when it comes to immigrant crime, "yes but what about our own criminals" and when it comes to black on black knife crime, on they come to say "yes but it is not just about blacks, there is plenty of white knife crime".

Double standards for some it seems, so hypocritical.