Why Do Eu Nationals Want A Guarentee?

[ToraToraTora]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38285217
I was under the impression that Utopia is just across the channel!

[Gromit]

I suppose if you live in France, or Portugal or Spain, you need to know that you are not going to get kicked out, or lose your rights once Brexit is completed.

People need to plan the rest of their lives. If they cannot live in the EU, they will need to make plans to return to blighty asap.

Hopefully, they will be allowed to stay where they are living, but they need to know.

[cassa333]

Because they want to stay here and those in other EU countries want to stay there.

If it is 'morally wrong' to use migrants (legal or otherwise) such as these as a bargaining chip then so be it because how would people feel if we let all migrants stay but come Bretix UK nationals were sent packing back here?

Would that be morally right?

Life is not always fare but is seems patiently obvious to me that reciprocal arrangements should be used. In fact do the same for all negotiations.

[Togo]

I thought that the op asked about Eu citizens and  their rights to live in Great Britain.....not the other way round.

[Gromit]

Togo,
It helps if you read the link.
// European nationals in the UK and British citizens living in the EU must have a guarantee they can remain in place after Brexit, campaigners say. //

[lindapalmara]

We are willing to make the guarantee forbut the EU citizens being able to stay here but other EU countries won't.

[andy-hughes]

linda - //We are willing to make the guarantee forbut the EU citizens being able to stay here but other EU countries won't. //

That's not quite accurate.

The European countries have advised that the future of UK citizens will form part of their Brexit negotiations, no doubt linked to the free movement that Europe wishes to continue enjoying, so they are not discussing the issue until the negotiations commence next year.

[Togo]

//Why Do Eu Nationals Want A Guarantee?//

That was the question in the op. Not why do British people living abroad need a guarantee.

[youngmafbog]

/The Three Million group is demanding assurances//

DEMAND. Really, do they understand how the EU works?

The EU wont discuss it early so neither can we. My personal preference is that all those who hold residency prior to the referendum (in any EU country) should be invited to take the Nationality of that country and therefore never be requested to 'Go Home'.

[EDDIE51]

Because it works both ways. UK citizens who live in the rest of the EU and EU citizens who live here. Both are equally affected.If we don't let EU citizens live here we can hardly expect them to allow UK citizens to live in the EU.
Remember there are over 1.25 million UK citizens who have moved permanently to the EU! They don't want to be forced to come back.

[ToraToraTora]

Bang on YMB, it's fair to all if they are granted citizenship where they are currently. So Sqad can become Spanish for example.

[New Judge]

It is straightforward.

The EU will not (quite rightly IMHO) begin to negotiate anything that relates to the rights of citizens of the UK and those of what remains of the EU post-Brexit until A50 is triggered. The rights of people to live here and the rights of UK citizens to live elsewhere will (presumably) both be covered in those negotiations. Neither the UK nor the EU should be forced to make any unilateral declarations on the issue since the two are inextricably linked. So I don't actually know what the fuss is about.

[EDDIE51]

All this will be beside the point if the proposal to allow UK citizens to retain EU citizenship post Brexit which AB discussed three days ago, comes off as the EU negotiators want.

[jim360]

In practice obviously NJ is right (and it's also reassuring to see TTT, ymb et al talking about maintaining rights of current residents). But I think anyone who is facing at least a small prospect of being kicked out of their current home can be forgiven for feeling a little anxious.

[naomi24]

All 3.6 million EU nationals 'can stay in the UK after Brexit'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-brexit-latest-nationals-uk-stay-immigration-a7351446.html

[Gromit]

If 80% cannot be legally deported, and they have already decided the remaining 20% will get an amnesty, then our cards are already on the table. Why can't the Government formally give a guarantee now instead of making millions of people anxious?

[jim360]

5/6 is 83.3%... just saying.

[New Judge]

Whatever was discussed, Eddie (and I must say I've not been keeping up as I've had a houseful of guests since Thursday) it would not be "EU citizenship". There is no such thing. People are citizens of the individual EU member nations. If their country ceases its membership then they are no longer citizens of an EU member nation.

What may have been discussed is the possibility of UK citizens retaining some of the rights they had when the UK was part of the EU - which is quite a different thing. Personally I don't expect to retain any of those rights and more importantly I don't expect people from other EU countries to retain the rights they had. Having said that I would not like to see anybody forcibly repatriated (in either direction) and I believe the rights they had to (say) residency should be retained for those who arrived legally under the prevailing rules. But that's about it. All the other rights should be forfeited.

[New Judge]

"Why can't the Government formally give a guarantee now instead of making millions of people anxious?"

So basically, then, we should say "Yes OK. You 3.6m people can stay here". Then the EU can say to the UK ex-pats "Sorry, you're out".

The reason the UK will not make that guarantee unilaterally is not simply because of the anxiety of the 3.6m here but also the anxiety of the 1.1m (or however many it is) of UK citizens elsewhere. As I said earlier, the two are linked.

[EDDIE51]

New Judge this is the link that started the previous discussion
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38264203
Associate citizenship of the EU is to be 'Fast Tracked' for UK citizens 'post Brexit'.

[Gromit]

New Judge,
Are we just going to pretend that we have not already said they can stay? Are we hoping Johnny Foreigner in Brussels does not read newspapers?

Are you seriously suggesting that we might go back on our word if the EU does not give similar assurances to Brits on the Costa del Sol?