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Rogue Labour And Libdem Mps Prepared To Thwart The Will Of The People..
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It'll be bye bye to them in those seats next election then.
It'll be bye bye to them in those seats next election then.
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14:55 Fri 11th Nov 2016
// MPs should represent their constituents. Leave polled the most strongly in 270 counting areas, with Remain coming first in 129.
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Only problem with that, is that counting areas do not directly correspond to Constituencies. My counting area contained parts of 4 Constituencies. At least 1 of those would have been a Remain vote, but the other 3 show the overall result of the counting area as Leave.
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Only problem with that, is that counting areas do not directly correspond to Constituencies. My counting area contained parts of 4 Constituencies. At least 1 of those would have been a Remain vote, but the other 3 show the overall result of the counting area as Leave.
One Labour shadow minister (can't remember her name) on the Daily Politics show last week said that the Labour party would NOT as a party oppose an Article 50 bill.
Personally I'm very happy if MPs vote against the bill if that is how their conscience and their judgment direct them - provided, of course, that they did NOT vote for the EU Referendum bill. That would make such Honourable Gentlemen rather sneaky, wouldn't it?
Personally I'm very happy if MPs vote against the bill if that is how their conscience and their judgment direct them - provided, of course, that they did NOT vote for the EU Referendum bill. That would make such Honourable Gentlemen rather sneaky, wouldn't it?
“if their constitutents voted Remain then their MPs should do the same. They are not there to enforce The Will Of The People, but to represent their own electorate.”
A little bit tricky. The results of the referendum were not published by constituency. However, a number of estimates have been produced and they all seem to suggest that somewhere between 400 and 425 constituencies voted to leave. All of these estimates, of course, have similar shortcomings to the pollsters.
“Why are the Brigade of leavers, on A/B so frightened for the MPs to have this vote ??.”
Because, with a few honourable exceptions, they are a bunch of self-serving crooks, creeps and charlatans who have about as much respect for democracy as Kim Jong-un.
However, none of this is really relevant. MPs voted six to one to allow a referendum and the government, when the Referendum Bill was debated said that the result would be enacted. There were no conditions. So unless the electorate is to be shafted in the usual way that it is by its politicians that is what should be done. The problem with UK politics is that it has become so infested with EU doctrine (which sees that people vote again when they produce the “wrong” result) that it now resembles that wretched organisation.
A little bit tricky. The results of the referendum were not published by constituency. However, a number of estimates have been produced and they all seem to suggest that somewhere between 400 and 425 constituencies voted to leave. All of these estimates, of course, have similar shortcomings to the pollsters.
“Why are the Brigade of leavers, on A/B so frightened for the MPs to have this vote ??.”
Because, with a few honourable exceptions, they are a bunch of self-serving crooks, creeps and charlatans who have about as much respect for democracy as Kim Jong-un.
However, none of this is really relevant. MPs voted six to one to allow a referendum and the government, when the Referendum Bill was debated said that the result would be enacted. There were no conditions. So unless the electorate is to be shafted in the usual way that it is by its politicians that is what should be done. The problem with UK politics is that it has become so infested with EU doctrine (which sees that people vote again when they produce the “wrong” result) that it now resembles that wretched organisation.
"“Why are the Brigade of leavers, on A/B so frightened for the MPs to have this vote ??.”
Because, with a few honourable exceptions, they are a bunch of self-serving crooks, creeps and charlatans who have about as much respect for democracy as Kim Jong-un. " - Rock and roll judge! another BA for your massive collection!
Because, with a few honourable exceptions, they are a bunch of self-serving crooks, creeps and charlatans who have about as much respect for democracy as Kim Jong-un. " - Rock and roll judge! another BA for your massive collection!
//However, none of this is really relevant. MPs voted six to one to allow a referendum and the government, when the Referendum Bill was debated said that the result would be enacted. There were no conditions.//
Unfortunately that commitment, apparently given in the debate, but certainly in the government's referendum literature, didn't find its way into the formulation of the EU Referendum ACT. Apart from its title I think the EU is mentioned just once in the act - in the single phrase "the British people will be asked whether the the UK should remain a member of the EU or leave it". Strike that sentence from the text and no-one would have the least idea what the referendum was about. Could have been "Should Honey G remain in or leave the X Factor?".
The legal verdict was based on the principle that the Royal Prerogative cannot be used to confer or abrogate rights (re which - did you see who some of the "interested parties" in the suit were? I'm sure I saw "carers of immigrant children" somewhere.) without the express approval of Parliament. If I remember the words of the ruling parliamentary assent to the Government's exercise of the Royal Prerogative can be assumed only if the were "explicit", or contained "necessary implication".
The cynicism of those who drafted this bill and those who voted for it has been pointed out already on these threads. Let's get on with removing the legal impediment by getting parliamentary consent for triggering Article 50. If that fails there's Plan C.
Unfortunately that commitment, apparently given in the debate, but certainly in the government's referendum literature, didn't find its way into the formulation of the EU Referendum ACT. Apart from its title I think the EU is mentioned just once in the act - in the single phrase "the British people will be asked whether the the UK should remain a member of the EU or leave it". Strike that sentence from the text and no-one would have the least idea what the referendum was about. Could have been "Should Honey G remain in or leave the X Factor?".
The legal verdict was based on the principle that the Royal Prerogative cannot be used to confer or abrogate rights (re which - did you see who some of the "interested parties" in the suit were? I'm sure I saw "carers of immigrant children" somewhere.) without the express approval of Parliament. If I remember the words of the ruling parliamentary assent to the Government's exercise of the Royal Prerogative can be assumed only if the were "explicit", or contained "necessary implication".
The cynicism of those who drafted this bill and those who voted for it has been pointed out already on these threads. Let's get on with removing the legal impediment by getting parliamentary consent for triggering Article 50. If that fails there's Plan C.
Plan C will precede Plan D, I suppose, but the ultimate result will be the third Civil War unless the politicians find a way through. Don't some of them realise that? I have to assume they don't. Not good. My hopes are pinned on Common Sense winning through and MPs whose majority was courtesy of Brexiteers realising this. Mrs. May really needs to get a move on.
Problematical, naomi, I agree, but delay is causing panic, uncertainty and giving an opportunity to those who would like to sabotage. I would suggest a quick 'This house votes to activate Article 50' motion a.s.a.p.. Timing would then be up to her. From clear-cut, this is getting bogged-down and I am concerned that this could stop our full exit and affect dealings with the US and the rest of the world.
// “if their constitutents voted Remain then their MPs should do the same.//
yeah well, ish - they are representatives and not delegates ( the american electoral college delegates are er delegates and should vote for the fella they were returned to do ) - and so for example if the vast majority of their electorate wanted to restore the death penalty for rape ( which is universally true) I would expect them to troop into the "Aye" lobby
but surely but surely
in view of 3T wise wise posts todays
it is time to stop the will of the people whinge-orama that Brexiters indulge in on a daily basis ? on AB and just about every other jesus place I can think of
yeah well, ish - they are representatives and not delegates ( the american electoral college delegates are er delegates and should vote for the fella they were returned to do ) - and so for example if the vast majority of their electorate wanted to restore the death penalty for rape ( which is universally true) I would expect them to troop into the "Aye" lobby
but surely but surely
in view of 3T wise wise posts todays
it is time to stop the will of the people whinge-orama that Brexiters indulge in on a daily basis ? on AB and just about every other jesus place I can think of
^^ Have to agree on that, the legal ruling has stopped the original plan it implement A50 dead in it's tracks. At the moment May has no option but to wait in the hope of a miraculous reversal at the supreme court. Once the supreme court uphold the ruling she will have to start again with a different plan. That is why I now think May has been 'set up to fail' to get Brexit past the commons. It is all a 'cunning plan' to allow a U turn and remain in the EU as the government had always intended.
How on Earth do you read that I am in a state of panic, Gulliver? I'm stating, quite calmly what could be the outcome if the populace is thwarted. It's a matter of historical (not hysterical|) reference. You really are a stirrer, aren't you. Never mind. I don't (but I think you should examine how you read things).
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