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Patient 'lay Dead' In London A&e For 'hours' Before Being Found
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No it's not, sadly. Doesn't surprise me at all.
08:06 Wed 06th Jul 2016
I had a horrendous experience . I was 'persuaded' to have a 'spinal' . Despite my protestations , and despite 2 anaethetists trying ,I was wheeled into theatre without any anaesthetisia . I awoke from a 6 hr op having being put under after I clearly flinched when the scalpel went in . That was a money saving manoeuvre which went badly wrong . I didn't complain .
I lay in seepage for 12 hrs , there was only 3 of us in the ward inc me and the other 2 were long term. I was next to the nursing station and they chatted and had cups of tea all day and all night and kept me awake with their loud chatter.
After 5 days of being ignored and not wanting to cause a fuss I had a panic attack and that's the only time I got a reaction bit it was too late as I was off .
There was much more but to be honest I'd rather forget it .
Nothing to do with middle management or 'clerical' staff , everything to do with people who actually are using the crisis in the NHS to excuse their lackadaisical attitude towards hygiene and patients.
I lay in seepage for 12 hrs , there was only 3 of us in the ward inc me and the other 2 were long term. I was next to the nursing station and they chatted and had cups of tea all day and all night and kept me awake with their loud chatter.
After 5 days of being ignored and not wanting to cause a fuss I had a panic attack and that's the only time I got a reaction bit it was too late as I was off .
There was much more but to be honest I'd rather forget it .
Nothing to do with middle management or 'clerical' staff , everything to do with people who actually are using the crisis in the NHS to excuse their lackadaisical attitude towards hygiene and patients.
//everything to do with people who actually are using the crisis in the NHS to excuse their lackadaisical attitude towards hygiene and patients. //
Agree with that entirely Dahlia Lama, but would add to it, and the people who see it as an opportunity to further their own political beliefs and preferences.
Agree with that entirely Dahlia Lama, but would add to it, and the people who see it as an opportunity to further their own political beliefs and preferences.
A relative of mine had an op 3 weeks ago resulting in an overnight stay. She txt me late evening to say she couldn't believe her ears when a nurse told 2 elderly ladies, in the same bay to "use their pads" night staff will clean you up later.. when they asked for the toilet
I'm truly scared of not being able to speak up for myself!
I'm truly scared of not being able to speak up for myself!
I have re-read the BBC link above and at no point were immigrants blamed for what happened in North Middx, despite the blame being laid at their door by certain elements on AB.
The fiasco in the hospital was due to a complicated cocktail of reasons, principally very bad management, but not due to immigrants.
And while I am at it, can I remind a minority of AB regulars that the NHS is one of the many areas of British life where immigrants play a very vital role. Without immigrants, our precious NHS would have sunk beneath the waves a long time ago.
I have given BA to Umm, for her succinct and early reply, but many of the posts today have been well thought out and well expressed, and I than them all.
The fiasco in the hospital was due to a complicated cocktail of reasons, principally very bad management, but not due to immigrants.
And while I am at it, can I remind a minority of AB regulars that the NHS is one of the many areas of British life where immigrants play a very vital role. Without immigrants, our precious NHS would have sunk beneath the waves a long time ago.
I have given BA to Umm, for her succinct and early reply, but many of the posts today have been well thought out and well expressed, and I than them all.
//Without immigrants, our precious NHS would have sunk beneath the waves a long time ago. //
Well if you insist on it mikey, let me ask. Without the immigrants accessing the facilities or our NHS, despite never contributing to it's funding and with ever increasing liability to do so, is our health service going to sink beneath the waves?
Well if you insist on it mikey, let me ask. Without the immigrants accessing the facilities or our NHS, despite never contributing to it's funding and with ever increasing liability to do so, is our health service going to sink beneath the waves?
Togo...we have discussed that point many times here on AB.
It cannot be denied that foreign workers make up a large proportion of the staff of the NHS. It has also been reported that we rely on nurses from abroad, as we are unable or unwilling to drag enough people off our dole queues and train them instead
The same applies to other medical staff, including Doctors. One of the Surgeons that has attended my brother these last 3 years is from Palestine, and two others are from India, and one from Canada. Our family is extremely grateful for these people, and will continue to be so for a few more years to come, if his current state of health is anything to go by.
I was somewhat disappointed that while so many people had posted about their own sad NHS stories, and yet one of our regulars thought it appropriate to bring in the immigrant issue and another enthusiastically agreed with him.
It cannot be denied that foreign workers make up a large proportion of the staff of the NHS. It has also been reported that we rely on nurses from abroad, as we are unable or unwilling to drag enough people off our dole queues and train them instead
The same applies to other medical staff, including Doctors. One of the Surgeons that has attended my brother these last 3 years is from Palestine, and two others are from India, and one from Canada. Our family is extremely grateful for these people, and will continue to be so for a few more years to come, if his current state of health is anything to go by.
I was somewhat disappointed that while so many people had posted about their own sad NHS stories, and yet one of our regulars thought it appropriate to bring in the immigrant issue and another enthusiastically agreed with him.
i remember a busy night shift on the ward when i had 12 patients to look after. One of my patients ws in a side room, quietly dying, perfectly comfy on a syringe driver. Meanwhile 11 other patients vying for my ministrations, needing the commode, needing painkillers needing turning, drinks, to talk etc. When i finally get back to my dying patient i find he's unfortunately no longer dying, but dead and died alone, goodness knows how long ago! That ward was not mismanaged, and in the normal course of things 1 nurse for 12 patients on a night shift would hve been enough, just circumstances conspired that night.
//I have re-read the BBC link above and at no point were immigrants blamed for what happened in North Middx, despite the blame being laid at their door by certain elements on AB.//
Mikey no one blamed immigrants for the poor woman's death, you were the one who flagged up another lego head response on you own thread. All you are doing is reminding us that every post you make needs to fit your base template one stance, one dimensional reasoning. Certain elements indeed. Another catch all, inaccurate, blanket net, underarm lob. I thought the thread had been very illuminating, when you weren't contributing mind.
Mikey no one blamed immigrants for the poor woman's death, you were the one who flagged up another lego head response on you own thread. All you are doing is reminding us that every post you make needs to fit your base template one stance, one dimensional reasoning. Certain elements indeed. Another catch all, inaccurate, blanket net, underarm lob. I thought the thread had been very illuminating, when you weren't contributing mind.
We are in the position of being able to make a direct comparison. To employ someone is hugely expensive in France and as a result we found the Health Service incredibly efficient. We have pinpointed lots of areas where savings could be made and efficiency improved. We've mentioned these, but no-one seems inclined to take it further.
All the medical staff we have encountered have been absolutely fine. It does seem that admin and grey areas are where waste occurs.
A quick example is referral to a specialist. I have arthritis in my left wrist, which had become incapacitating. My GP wrote to a specialist and I suffered for quite a long time (2 months) before I got an appointment. I am still struggling to get appointments on time, last time I saw him he said to see him in 2 months time, This is the third time he's said that, after 4 months I rang up and insisted on an appointment. Now I am about 1 week off the 2 months and still nothing - so I shall be ringing tomorrow.
In France, I needed an appointment with a surgeon to get a hip replacement. My doctor, having sent me for an X-ray, (took all of 10 days to get it done and get result and appointment) said, 'Yep! You need to see Mr. B - who did my other one' - and gave me his phone number and a letter from her which she wrote on the spot. I rang Mr. Bonnet's secretary same day, arranged an appointment and there we were. At that appointment in Poitiers, he agreed that I needed a replacement; told me all about it; dictated a letter to my GP (which I delivered - so saving postage) and before I left the hospital I had an appointment with the anaesthetist, prescription for blood tests, room and bed booked. All done in 1 two-hour visit. Included X-ray for surgeon. About 6 weeks from my first visit to GP.
Why don't we instigate the same 'patient rings specialist' system? It's a very easy saving of time and money - I'm appalled at the number of letters I have received telling me that they have got a referral and will let me know when they have an appointment. It could be avoided so easily. There are other things, too. :(
All the medical staff we have encountered have been absolutely fine. It does seem that admin and grey areas are where waste occurs.
A quick example is referral to a specialist. I have arthritis in my left wrist, which had become incapacitating. My GP wrote to a specialist and I suffered for quite a long time (2 months) before I got an appointment. I am still struggling to get appointments on time, last time I saw him he said to see him in 2 months time, This is the third time he's said that, after 4 months I rang up and insisted on an appointment. Now I am about 1 week off the 2 months and still nothing - so I shall be ringing tomorrow.
In France, I needed an appointment with a surgeon to get a hip replacement. My doctor, having sent me for an X-ray, (took all of 10 days to get it done and get result and appointment) said, 'Yep! You need to see Mr. B - who did my other one' - and gave me his phone number and a letter from her which she wrote on the spot. I rang Mr. Bonnet's secretary same day, arranged an appointment and there we were. At that appointment in Poitiers, he agreed that I needed a replacement; told me all about it; dictated a letter to my GP (which I delivered - so saving postage) and before I left the hospital I had an appointment with the anaesthetist, prescription for blood tests, room and bed booked. All done in 1 two-hour visit. Included X-ray for surgeon. About 6 weeks from my first visit to GP.
Why don't we instigate the same 'patient rings specialist' system? It's a very easy saving of time and money - I'm appalled at the number of letters I have received telling me that they have got a referral and will let me know when they have an appointment. It could be avoided so easily. There are other things, too. :(
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