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Oh dear, I was trawling through the Guardian's web-site looking for the story regarding that Mentally ill Black lad who was given such a harsh sentence for merely shop lifting, when I came across this gem.
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No I don’t think she’s being racist. It’s just her preference and we’re all entitled to that. However, I cannot help but think if a white person had expressed similar sentiments there may have been a different reaction: “I love my black family but there’s an elegant joy in a room full of white faces” Or “The power of being surrounded by white...
16:14 Sat 29th Aug 2015
New Judge - I do take your point about the fact that black people tend to comment on race - as this lady has done, but surely as the minority ethnic group in a society, racism is more likely to apply to her, and other black people.
We must accept that history shows that the huge majority of racist behaviour, attitude, and opinion is delivered by white people against black people. Ergo, black people grow up with a greater sense of what racism means, because to varying degrees, they live with it, and if they are intelligent, and have access to media, they may comment on it.
If history was different, and the white race was in the minority, maybe it would be us who would do the same, but we can only speculate on that because – like black people in a predominantly white society, we have to live with what we find.
I am a white heterosexual male living in a white society, I have virtually no experience of racism. The one incident I did experience, left me feeling very uncomfortable, and although it was over twenty years ago, I have never forgotten it. I was on holiday in Spain, and I went into a shop to buy something. As soon as I opened my mouth and spoke English, the shop owner very deliberately turned her back on me and walked away muttering something obviously unpleasant in Spanish. Another customer advised me that the woman hates the English, and won’t serve them. I felt very shocked, but that was one small instance, but I found being on the receiving end of racism based on nothing more than my race was very unpleasant. That is an attitude that, in varying degrees, racial minorities live with on a daily basis.
We must accept that history shows that the huge majority of racist behaviour, attitude, and opinion is delivered by white people against black people. Ergo, black people grow up with a greater sense of what racism means, because to varying degrees, they live with it, and if they are intelligent, and have access to media, they may comment on it.
If history was different, and the white race was in the minority, maybe it would be us who would do the same, but we can only speculate on that because – like black people in a predominantly white society, we have to live with what we find.
I am a white heterosexual male living in a white society, I have virtually no experience of racism. The one incident I did experience, left me feeling very uncomfortable, and although it was over twenty years ago, I have never forgotten it. I was on holiday in Spain, and I went into a shop to buy something. As soon as I opened my mouth and spoke English, the shop owner very deliberately turned her back on me and walked away muttering something obviously unpleasant in Spanish. Another customer advised me that the woman hates the English, and won’t serve them. I felt very shocked, but that was one small instance, but I found being on the receiving end of racism based on nothing more than my race was very unpleasant. That is an attitude that, in varying degrees, racial minorities live with on a daily basis.
"We must accept that history shows that the huge majority of racist behaviour, attitude, and opinion is delivered by white people against black people."
No, I don't accept that Andy. As I have explained racisim is rife across the globe. It is by no means confined to white people. Historically it may be true that it was more prevalent amongst whites (as they were the ones that did the travelling). But in recent years and certainly in Ms Carroll's lifetime it most certainly has not been so confined.
No, I don't accept that Andy. As I have explained racisim is rife across the globe. It is by no means confined to white people. Historically it may be true that it was more prevalent amongst whites (as they were the ones that did the travelling). But in recent years and certainly in Ms Carroll's lifetime it most certainly has not been so confined.
New Judge - Apologies, I did not explain myself properly - when I said that racism was by white people against black people, I should have clarified and explained that I was referring to western countries with predominantly white populations – The UK and The US being the most pertinent.
I hope that explains my point more clearly.
I hope that explains my point more clearly.
EcclesCake - "Andy, your experience in Spain was one of prejudice rather than racism."
That is a distinction that is too subtle for me!
What is racism if not a form of prejudice?
The woman acted in a negative way towards me based on my ethnicity – if that is not racism, perhaps you could explain what you believe the term to mean?
That is a distinction that is too subtle for me!
What is racism if not a form of prejudice?
The woman acted in a negative way towards me based on my ethnicity – if that is not racism, perhaps you could explain what you believe the term to mean?
I was on holiday in Spain, and I went into a shop to buy something. As soon as I opened my mouth and spoke English, the shop owner very deliberately turned her back on me and walked away muttering something obviously unpleasant in Spanish.
Wow...if that is a major incident in your life andy...you have led a very quite one.
Wow...if that is a major incident in your life andy...you have led a very quite one.
Talbot - "Wow...if that is a major incident in your life andy...you have led a very quite one."
I didn't say it was a 'major incident in my life', I said it was an incident I have never forgotten.
There are many many things that I have not forgotten, some major, many more not - everyone has the same degree of remembered experiences.
This was memorable, but not major.
I didn't say it was a 'major incident in my life', I said it was an incident I have never forgotten.
There are many many things that I have not forgotten, some major, many more not - everyone has the same degree of remembered experiences.
This was memorable, but not major.
My observation of "racism" in Spain can be accounted for TOTALLY by the experience of the Spanish holetiers and bar owners: the "Englishehaving badly. Many English tourists on cheap holidays have been embarrassed by the behaviour of ther compratriots. I and both my wives have been in Spain many times and were far mor sympathetic of Spanishb" stetesented the behaviour of chavs more than the contempt
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/// I was trawling through the Guardian's web-site looking for a race-based story which I could use to demonstrate racism in black people, because that's my raison d'être on AB" ///
Infer that I am a racist if you must, that label may stifle free speech in some quarters for example, the media, media commentators and most of those in the public lime-light, and has even been known to steer many away from this site, and even frightened some from expressing their views on immigration in case they are also called racists.
But it carries no weight with me even when you try to make up in your over sensitive mind, what I really meant to put.
It would seem that if you and your buddy cannot find any direct act of racism on my part, except my right to discuss racial and immigration matters, so please do not make situations up, or take matters out of context, or twist words or passages, so as to try in your failed quests to try and label me a racist.
/// I was trawling through the Guardian's web-site looking for a race-based story which I could use to demonstrate racism in black people, because that's my raison d'être on AB" ///
Infer that I am a racist if you must, that label may stifle free speech in some quarters for example, the media, media commentators and most of those in the public lime-light, and has even been known to steer many away from this site, and even frightened some from expressing their views on immigration in case they are also called racists.
But it carries no weight with me even when you try to make up in your over sensitive mind, what I really meant to put.
It would seem that if you and your buddy cannot find any direct act of racism on my part, except my right to discuss racial and immigration matters, so please do not make situations up, or take matters out of context, or twist words or passages, so as to try in your failed quests to try and label me a racist.
Blimey my not wishing to live next door to a black family is a racist act, on top of the widespread white on black racism that some has said is rife in the UK, can in no way be compared to the 'REAL' racism against whites that takes place throughout the rest of the world.
Take South Africa for example, where more than 70,000 whites have been murdered and untold numbers have been robbed, raped and tortured, since the ANC took over.
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Take South Africa for example, where more than 70,000 whites have been murdered and untold numbers have been robbed, raped and tortured, since the ANC took over.
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It's not 'infer', it's 'imply'.
When I write something, I might be implying, but it's the reader of what I've written who infers a conclusion, not the other way around.
And why would you infer that I'm calling you a racist, just because you're trying to prove racism in black people?
Why don't you want to live next to a black family?
It's not 'infer', it's 'imply'.
When I write something, I might be implying, but it's the reader of what I've written who infers a conclusion, not the other way around.
And why would you infer that I'm calling you a racist, just because you're trying to prove racism in black people?
Why don't you want to live next to a black family?
We are all surely allowed to choose who are our friends, who we wish to associate & be with. It is only natural to mix with one's own kind has it not always been so ( birds of a feather etc). I am getting heartily sick of the race card being constantly presented, I am polite to all in my daily life whether they be black,brown, white, green or yellow spotted, what a great pity everyone cannot be like that, life would be so simple on this planet which in my opinion belongs to us all. In another post on A/B multi integration has been discussed & it just does not work, whenever immigrants have settled here & indeed whenever we Brits have settled abroad everybody goes immediately to where their own kind are based.
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