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youngmafbog You really are wasting time with this stuff about him not being tried. Some of the biggest villains in history were never tried in court. So are we supposed to treat him with respect, give him the benefit of the doubt, because it never went to court? The testimony of victims has already been heard, tested and accepted by inquiries which are...
14:22 Thu 26th Feb 2015
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Late DJ and TV presenter Jimmy Savile abused 63 people at Stoke Mandeville Hospital, a report finds.
There were nine informal complaints of sexual behaviour, but none were "taken seriously", report finds.
One formal complaint was dropped due to the victim's ill health.
Savile's abuse at Stoke Mandeville was an "open secret" as early as 1973 after he started working as a voluntary porter.
Thirty-seven of his victims, including patients, visitors and staff, told of behaviour ranging from groping to rape.
Fourteen other reports about Savile's offending at hospitals and children's homes are also published.
Deeply damning Report.
Late DJ and TV presenter Jimmy Savile abused 63 people at Stoke Mandeville Hospital, a report finds.
There were nine informal complaints of sexual behaviour, but none were "taken seriously", report finds.
One formal complaint was dropped due to the victim's ill health.
Savile's abuse at Stoke Mandeville was an "open secret" as early as 1973 after he started working as a voluntary porter.
Thirty-seven of his victims, including patients, visitors and staff, told of behaviour ranging from groping to rape.
Fourteen other reports about Savile's offending at hospitals and children's homes are also published.
Deeply damning Report.
ymb...The Savile Report published today is nothing whatsoever to do with vigilantism, and its evidence is completely and utterly damning.
OK...I will ask you a straight, uncomplicated question :::
Do you think that Savile is innocent of all the charges now leveled at him, in this Report ? What does the inner ymb tell you ?
A straight yes or no will suffice. No weasel words...just yes or no please !
OK...I will ask you a straight, uncomplicated question :::
Do you think that Savile is innocent of all the charges now leveled at him, in this Report ? What does the inner ymb tell you ?
A straight yes or no will suffice. No weasel words...just yes or no please !
It's not weasel words Mickey to question the misuse of justice.
As you well know (which I am sure is why you wrote it) my gut instinct is he is guilty as heck. However that has been based on what I have been fed by the media. Are you really happy that the media should have so much power?
And even a report is one view. The CPS often make a report but the person is found not to be guilty.
So a question to you Mickey. Do you think we should do away with trial by Jury if it suits us?
As you well know (which I am sure is why you wrote it) my gut instinct is he is guilty as heck. However that has been based on what I have been fed by the media. Are you really happy that the media should have so much power?
And even a report is one view. The CPS often make a report but the person is found not to be guilty.
So a question to you Mickey. Do you think we should do away with trial by Jury if it suits us?
youngmafbog
You really are wasting time with this stuff about him not being tried. Some of the biggest villains in history were never tried in court.
So are we supposed to treat him with respect, give him the benefit of the doubt, because it never went to court? The testimony of victims has already been heard, tested and accepted by inquiries which are equivalent to court.
Don't worry about him. Worry about the victims - and punishing the cover-up merchants.
You really are wasting time with this stuff about him not being tried. Some of the biggest villains in history were never tried in court.
So are we supposed to treat him with respect, give him the benefit of the doubt, because it never went to court? The testimony of victims has already been heard, tested and accepted by inquiries which are equivalent to court.
Don't worry about him. Worry about the victims - and punishing the cover-up merchants.
Then I take it you think that he is guilty, which I am relieved to see.
What "misuse of justice" happened today, when the Report was published ?
When the BBC and every other news Media in Britain report the conclusions of this long and thorough official enquiry at Stoke Mandeville, they are not going through a process of "trial by Media"
What would you rather have the Press do......ignore the publication of the Report ? Perhaps you would rather the Enquiry had never taken place, or it it had, that the Report should have been kept secret ?
The monster that was Savile may now be dead and thank God for that, but there are plenty of people left that could be brought to trial over his crimes at Stoke Mandeville. He got away with what he did because other people allowed him too, and these are the people that now need to answer for their actions.
I will answer your question......no...of course I don't think trial by Jury should be done away with. I have never suggested such a thing and I know of nobody else who does either.
What "misuse of justice" happened today, when the Report was published ?
When the BBC and every other news Media in Britain report the conclusions of this long and thorough official enquiry at Stoke Mandeville, they are not going through a process of "trial by Media"
What would you rather have the Press do......ignore the publication of the Report ? Perhaps you would rather the Enquiry had never taken place, or it it had, that the Report should have been kept secret ?
The monster that was Savile may now be dead and thank God for that, but there are plenty of people left that could be brought to trial over his crimes at Stoke Mandeville. He got away with what he did because other people allowed him too, and these are the people that now need to answer for their actions.
I will answer your question......no...of course I don't think trial by Jury should be done away with. I have never suggested such a thing and I know of nobody else who does either.
ymb...nobody is suggesting the Enquiry and Report was meant to take the place of a trial. But if we don't have Enquiries after events like these, how are we to learn from the past, so that these kind of things are not repeated ?
You seem to be saying that that we shouldn't have enquiries because the main witness is now dead.
The Report quite clearly outlined what Savile had done and how he got away with it. It also contained recommendations on changes that should be made, so ensure as best as possible that it doesn't happen again.
It was an Enquiry and a Report, not a trial...do you not see that ?
I am not sure that I can usefully add anything more or different to what I have I have already said on AB this morning. But I we have had a good debate !
You seem to be saying that that we shouldn't have enquiries because the main witness is now dead.
The Report quite clearly outlined what Savile had done and how he got away with it. It also contained recommendations on changes that should be made, so ensure as best as possible that it doesn't happen again.
It was an Enquiry and a Report, not a trial...do you not see that ?
I am not sure that I can usefully add anything more or different to what I have I have already said on AB this morning. But I we have had a good debate !
Other things in the BBC rolling news coverage which helped me make sense of the background.
i) At the time of initial setup, the NHS couldn't afford the full costs of the spinal injuries unit.
ii) Savile's charity supplied the bulk of the funding.
iii) Perhaps because of that, he started to act as if he owned the special unit.
iv) From that point on, he began to behave as he pleased. Nobody can tell tales against the big cheese who pays the bills, can they?
Like they always say, "follow the money".
i) At the time of initial setup, the NHS couldn't afford the full costs of the spinal injuries unit.
ii) Savile's charity supplied the bulk of the funding.
iii) Perhaps because of that, he started to act as if he owned the special unit.
iv) From that point on, he began to behave as he pleased. Nobody can tell tales against the big cheese who pays the bills, can they?
Like they always say, "follow the money".
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