London Drinker (Volume 46,No. 2)
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Rise Of The Far Right In Britain
Beware if you see any reference to a new Party called " Britain First" It is in effect a new Far-Right party, formed by ex-Members of the BNP ::
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It might look quite cuddly and very patriotic, with its images of the Queen, poppies and suchlike but its the same tired old band of Fascist thugs, for whom Asians are the new Jews. I have warned about the rise of the Far Right on AB before, especially in Europe but these Fascists are marching in Britain, not Berlin. We ignore these racist thugs at our peril.
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It might look quite cuddly and very patriotic, with its images of the Queen, poppies and suchlike but its the same tired old band of Fascist thugs, for whom Asians are the new Jews. I have warned about the rise of the Far Right on AB before, especially in Europe but these Fascists are marching in Britain, not Berlin. We ignore these racist thugs at our peril.
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AOG - "Passages taken from the Wikipedia link, can't see anything untoward here. /// In May 2013, following the murder of Lee Rigby, Britain First released a video threatening to place Islamist cleric Anjem Choudary under citizen's arrest if the Metropolitan Police would not arrest him. ///" I see something untoward there - the willingness of an...
11:53 Mon 27th Oct 2014
Orderlimit - "I personally think if the 'Far Right' are on the rise then why. It's no good just constantly calling people racist, facist and so on I'm afraid."
The only reason people think the Far Right are 'on the rise ...' is because that's the phrase the media use, because they like to scare-monger - it means little in reality.
The only reason people think the Far Right are 'on the rise ...' is because that's the phrase the media use, because they like to scare-monger - it means little in reality.
Yes, I agree, Andy. Thankfully, the Klan has been marginalised on the National, or Federal stage.
A word they're fond of using is "Heritage". Mmmm... a lot of twisted thinking can lurk behind that disguise ....... in any culture.
It's always there, somewhere. It's only occasionally that it gets brave enough to surface.
A word they're fond of using is "Heritage". Mmmm... a lot of twisted thinking can lurk behind that disguise ....... in any culture.
It's always there, somewhere. It's only occasionally that it gets brave enough to surface.
Talbot (10:00)......no I haven't, mainly because there so many here on AB that get in before me ! Of course I am concerned about the rise of Islamic Extremism, as any sane person should be...recent events in Canada shows us what happens if governments don't take that issue seriously. But it doesn't relate or detract from my thread here today. We can't deport our native born, white Brits, the sort that start and join racist and Fascist organisations like these thugs, and the problem won't go away if we talk about militant Islamism instead either. Can't we discuss both ?
If you or anyone else would like to start a thread about militant Islamists, than go ahead, and I will gladly join in.
If you or anyone else would like to start a thread about militant Islamists, than go ahead, and I will gladly join in.
Just found this, purporting to be from Lyn Rigby :::::
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mikey4444
/// We can't deport our native born, white Brits, the sort that start and join racist and Fascist organisations like these thugs, ///
Why do you find the need to describe them as 'THUGS' can't you just describe them as 'extremists' as you choose to describe the more proven Islamic killers?
/// We can't deport our native born, white Brits, the sort that start and join racist and Fascist organisations like these thugs, ///
Why do you find the need to describe them as 'THUGS' can't you just describe them as 'extremists' as you choose to describe the more proven Islamic killers?
Of course if the "left" under Blair and Brown had not opened the door to mass immigration we would not see the rise of the "far right" in the UK.
This now irreservable huge mistake by labour must surely be the biggest factor and then issues such as the industrial scale sex scandals across the country by 'non-diverse' mulism gangs.
This now irreservable huge mistake by labour must surely be the biggest factor and then issues such as the industrial scale sex scandals across the country by 'non-diverse' mulism gangs.
AOG...because they are thugs ! Just like Mosley's lot back in the 30's, organisations like this rely on the threat of extreme violence to get their point across. The lot are even closely linked to terrorists in NI. Once again a thread about the rise of the Extreme right has been hijacked by people that would rather discuss the muslim "problem" in Britain today.
AOG...start you own thread about Islamic Extremists and I will be only to happy to join in !
AOG...start you own thread about Islamic Extremists and I will be only to happy to join in !
I had never heard of Britain First until yesterday, when my 93 year-old aunt shared an item from their Facebook page complaining that their name had been truncated to "Britain Fir" in a list of candidates for the forthcoming Rochester by-election. Given that every other single other party on the list had also had its name truncated with the exception of the Green Party, I thought that was taking paranoia a bit far, especially as "Britain Fir" has a nice seasonal ring to it.
Why my aunt is dabbling with this lot is a mystery. She may be 93 but she's all there.
Why my aunt is dabbling with this lot is a mystery. She may be 93 but she's all there.
mikey4444
/// AOG...because they are thugs ! Just like Mosley's lot back in the 30's, organisations like this rely on the threat of extreme violence to get their point across. ///
And what extreme violence has this particular protest group been seen to be taking part in?
/// The lot are even closely linked to terrorists in NI. ///
Interesting, have you the proof?
/// Once again a thread about the rise of the Extreme right has been hijacked by people that would rather discuss the muslim "problem" in Britain today. ///
Once again a strange choice of words, " THE MUSLIM PROBLEM" why the change from 'ISLAMIC EXTREMISTS'?
And how can one discuss the 'FAR RIGHT' without also discussing their present target, that being 'EXTREME ISLAM'?
/// AOG...because they are thugs ! Just like Mosley's lot back in the 30's, organisations like this rely on the threat of extreme violence to get their point across. ///
And what extreme violence has this particular protest group been seen to be taking part in?
/// The lot are even closely linked to terrorists in NI. ///
Interesting, have you the proof?
/// Once again a thread about the rise of the Extreme right has been hijacked by people that would rather discuss the muslim "problem" in Britain today. ///
Once again a strange choice of words, " THE MUSLIM PROBLEM" why the change from 'ISLAMIC EXTREMISTS'?
And how can one discuss the 'FAR RIGHT' without also discussing their present target, that being 'EXTREME ISLAM'?
AOG - "Passages taken from the Wikipedia link, can't see anything untoward here.
/// In May 2013, following the murder of Lee Rigby, Britain First released a video threatening to place Islamist cleric Anjem Choudary under citizen's arrest if the Metropolitan Police would not arrest him. ///"
I see something untoward there - the willingness of an organisation to take the law into their own hands is never desireable. We have a police force to uphold our laws. We may not always agree with what we perceive as a lack of the action we would like, but that does not mean that taking the law into the hands of ad hoc organsiations is ever a good thing.
"/// In February 2014, Britain First conducted what it called the "Christian Patrol" in an area of Tower Hamlets, East London, with a high Muslim population, to counter continuing Muslim Patrols which had first come to media attention in 2013 ///"
I would be interested to see how many of those 'Christians' got out of bed and attended church on a Sunday, as opposed to adopting the nominal label of 'Christians' because they see it as an opposition to the Muslim faith - the fact that they see one faith 'opposing' another somewhat underlines the fact that they don;'t really understand what faith actually is.
"/// In July 2014, Britain First entered the Crayford Mosque in South London, demanding that its segregated entrances be removed, with Golding saying, "When you respect women we’ll respect your mosques." ///"
See the point above.
Taking a single aspect of a faith and deciding it doesn't chime with Western attitudes is a nonsense. You can disagree with what you perceive (and that is the key point) as disprespect, but you cannot go in mob handed and expect people to simply come round to your point of view because you think their behaviour is inappropriate.
"/// In August 2014, after a report which revealed that over 1,400 girls had been sexually abused in Rotherham, mainly by Pakistani men, Britain First protested inside the headquarters of Rotherham Metropolitan Borough Council with a banner saying "Justice for victims of Muslim grooming". ///"
It wasn't 'Muslim grooming ...' it was grooming by a devious nasty section of men who are nominal Muslims - rather in the same way, although of course more seriously, than bullies who march into mosques demanding 'respect' are 'Christians'.
/// In May 2013, following the murder of Lee Rigby, Britain First released a video threatening to place Islamist cleric Anjem Choudary under citizen's arrest if the Metropolitan Police would not arrest him. ///"
I see something untoward there - the willingness of an organisation to take the law into their own hands is never desireable. We have a police force to uphold our laws. We may not always agree with what we perceive as a lack of the action we would like, but that does not mean that taking the law into the hands of ad hoc organsiations is ever a good thing.
"/// In February 2014, Britain First conducted what it called the "Christian Patrol" in an area of Tower Hamlets, East London, with a high Muslim population, to counter continuing Muslim Patrols which had first come to media attention in 2013 ///"
I would be interested to see how many of those 'Christians' got out of bed and attended church on a Sunday, as opposed to adopting the nominal label of 'Christians' because they see it as an opposition to the Muslim faith - the fact that they see one faith 'opposing' another somewhat underlines the fact that they don;'t really understand what faith actually is.
"/// In July 2014, Britain First entered the Crayford Mosque in South London, demanding that its segregated entrances be removed, with Golding saying, "When you respect women we’ll respect your mosques." ///"
See the point above.
Taking a single aspect of a faith and deciding it doesn't chime with Western attitudes is a nonsense. You can disagree with what you perceive (and that is the key point) as disprespect, but you cannot go in mob handed and expect people to simply come round to your point of view because you think their behaviour is inappropriate.
"/// In August 2014, after a report which revealed that over 1,400 girls had been sexually abused in Rotherham, mainly by Pakistani men, Britain First protested inside the headquarters of Rotherham Metropolitan Borough Council with a banner saying "Justice for victims of Muslim grooming". ///"
It wasn't 'Muslim grooming ...' it was grooming by a devious nasty section of men who are nominal Muslims - rather in the same way, although of course more seriously, than bullies who march into mosques demanding 'respect' are 'Christians'.
I am tolerant Orderlimit, but my tolerance doesn't extend to blaming Muslims for every ill that has befallen Britain. And I am never tolerant of racism, nor do I see any need to apologise for that stance.
There are some that would tar all Muslims, and all immigrants for that matter, with the same brush, which can't possible be right, but it suits their agenda. It can't be right any more that all Brits are racist thugs because a few like to march up and down using Nazi salutes.
I realise that Britain First, the BNP and suchlike only attract a minority of support. But its not so much the existence of Fascist and racist groups that I am concerned with...its the rapid rise in their popularity. As I have said, social media has altered the way these things are organised and expanded for ever. Without Facebook, Twitter and such like, Britain First wouldn't be so far ahead in membership and popular support.
The Far Right is always on the look out for something to aim their spite and hatred at. In the 1930's it was the Jews, and now its immigrants. This particular group of misfits are even rounding on homesexuals and people who favour the right for a woman to choose about an abortion. They are also very closely linked to a terrorist organisation in NI, a very worrying new trend.
There are some that would tar all Muslims, and all immigrants for that matter, with the same brush, which can't possible be right, but it suits their agenda. It can't be right any more that all Brits are racist thugs because a few like to march up and down using Nazi salutes.
I realise that Britain First, the BNP and suchlike only attract a minority of support. But its not so much the existence of Fascist and racist groups that I am concerned with...its the rapid rise in their popularity. As I have said, social media has altered the way these things are organised and expanded for ever. Without Facebook, Twitter and such like, Britain First wouldn't be so far ahead in membership and popular support.
The Far Right is always on the look out for something to aim their spite and hatred at. In the 1930's it was the Jews, and now its immigrants. This particular group of misfits are even rounding on homesexuals and people who favour the right for a woman to choose about an abortion. They are also very closely linked to a terrorist organisation in NI, a very worrying new trend.
mikey - "As I have said, social media has altered the way these things are organised and expanded for ever. Without Facebook, Twitter and such like, Britain First wouldn't be so far ahead in membership and popular support."
You may be right - but numpties chattering to each other over social media has never made the slightest dent in the real world - and there is no reason to assume it is going to now.
You may be right - but numpties chattering to each other over social media has never made the slightest dent in the real world - and there is no reason to assume it is going to now.
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