Yet Two More Foreign Killers Off Our Streets.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-28290635

London is noted for gang killings, but this one involved Turkish gangs, how come they are in this country in the first place, Turkey isn't in the EU yet is it?

/// Baljit Ubhey, chief prosecutor for the Crown Prosecution Service, said: "This case represents just one of a long list of incidents of gang war between the Tottenham Turks and the Hackney Turks. ///

[Zeuhl]

/a dog born in a stable cannot call itself a horse/

NJ

I think you'll find that just because a horse is born in a stable it doesn't necessarily mean it's much of a horse.

[SeaJayPea]

sp, I suspect you're right. But maybe they'll all come back to prove us wrong.

And Zeuhl, that's one of the best one-liners I've heard.

[Hypognosis]

Possible own goal, sp…

"And how many generations would a family have to be here before they could call themselves British?"

That's just inviting them to think of a number :-

Unless you want them to say something which lets you accuse them of being Woloons, Huguenots, Normans, Vikings, Saxons, Angles, Celts or, in fact anyone who got here since the ice retreated and the land became habitable again.

We are ALL descended from immigrants. The word 'British' might as well mean 'immigrant'.

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[New Judge]

I would call you British, sp (through and through, as much as any of us are).

I was trying to put a slant on retrocop's remark.

[sp1814]

NJ

O.I.C.

(Oh I see).

[Farriercm]

AOG ----YAWN -You are sooooooooooooooo BORIIIIIIIIIIIING

[Svejk]

and you're a naughty boy.

[sp1814]

Farriercm

I'm sure AOG can answer for himself, but I have to say that in fairness nearly every one of the regular contributors on AB have their own 'areas of interest'.

It's the combination of these varying viewpoints that makes for lively/frustrating/infuriating (delete where applicable) debate.

I'm not trying to knock you - but it's better to shout out your opposing view, rather than get personal.

(Lecture over, and high horse dismounted from).

[DrFilth]

> (Lecture over, and high horse dismounted from). <

did it come from a stable

[Gromit]

Turks usually get here by marrying someone British. Not exactly a new phenomenon...

Cameron is descended from a Jewish German great grandfather.
Miliband from a Jewish Polshlish father.
Clegg from Russian/Ukrainian grandmother.
Farage is decendedfrom French Huguenots living in Germany.

HM The Queen is of course as German as the World Cup.

[inksplotter]

Jewish is a race or a belief, it doesn't mean you were born in any one country.

[inksplotter]

Oh, you established that.

[dunnitall]

Just to ask a question about 'born in a country'. .. If British people live in say japan (or any other country in this world) and they have children in that, country do we ever hear those children say (even though they look British) that they are Japanese or whatever country they are born in? Personally I have never heard it....I mean for e.g. Cliff Richard was born in India but everyone I know thinks of him as British. IMO it seems that the 'I am British' card is played whenever they need it....whereas I rarely see the opposite with people born abroad to British parents....why is that so?

[sp1814]

dunnitall

Yes - it happens the other way around.

You wouldn't think of P.W. Botha of being anything but an African man, even though your mental picture of an African is not a white man.

Similarly, if you were you describe Oscar Pistorius, you would call him an African too.

[crapmemory]

I have lived in North London all my life and I know the area that you are talking about. The community in this part of London are Greek and Turkish. We always used to say was like going abroad when we went there. Both the Greeks and the Turks believe they are "in charge" of this area. There has been trouble there for years. Mostly fights, breaking each others shop displays (large amount of greengrocers) and never meeting halfway. It is drug and "territory" based and I can't see it changing unfortunately :(

[Hypognosis]

p.s. If you copy and paste an ISBN number into a search engine it will find reviews and online retailer ads faster than you can type out Author and title.

But you all knew that, didn't you?

[anotheoldgit]

It is interesting once again that this thread has turned to personal insults and claims of being British etc, etc, but no one has addressed the problem of the rising gang culture on our streets mainly by those who are not English.

I state English seeing that 90% of immigrants settle in England.

Regarding my side question "Turkey isn't in the EU yet is it"? of course I knew the answer but seeing that they may well be in the future, do we want even more gangs imported into England?

[sp1814]

AOG

You have not given us any proof that the gangs were 'imported'.

They may be born and bred in the capital.

[retrocop]

What I meant earlier was that Cliff Richard,Spike Milligan and Johanna Lumley were all born and raised in India but they are not referred to as "those Indian entertainers"They are of British parentage,They could all have once held Indian passports but that does not make them Indian.

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

/// You have not given us any proof that the gangs were 'imported'. ///

/// They may be born and bred in the capital. ///

Does that make any difference it is a question of an imported culture.