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12 Year A Slave, Do We Need Such Films?
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/// McQueen's film pitilessly documents the beatings, lynchings, rape and brutality of a slave-owning class half-demented by its own moral corruption, and routinely reduces audiences to tears. "I hadn't realised slavery was that bad," is the comment its director keeps hearing. ///
McQueen admits that he didn't realise slavery was so bad, so does it do any good for racial harmony to constantly remind people of man's inhumanity to others that which happened nearly 200 years ago?
/// "There's been a kind of amnesia," he says, "or not wanting to focus on this, because of it being so painful. It's kind of crazy. We can deal with the second world war and the Holocaust and so forth and what not, but this side of history, maybe because it was so hideous, people just do not want to see. People do not want to engage." ///
What is he saying that WW2 and the holocaust was also not as hideous also, what about the slaves that the Nazis used or those that the Japanese used to build their railways etc?
Just as we see less films made of these inhumane historic events these days in an attempt not to cause offence or ill feelings, to the present day Germans and Japanese, perhaps now we should do the same with other similar matters which happened further down in history?
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/// McQueen's film pitilessly documents the beatings, lynchings, rape and brutality of a slave-owning class half-demented by its own moral corruption, and routinely reduces audiences to tears. "I hadn't realised slavery was that bad," is the comment its director keeps hearing. ///
McQueen admits that he didn't realise slavery was so bad, so does it do any good for racial harmony to constantly remind people of man's inhumanity to others that which happened nearly 200 years ago?
/// "There's been a kind of amnesia," he says, "or not wanting to focus on this, because of it being so painful. It's kind of crazy. We can deal with the second world war and the Holocaust and so forth and what not, but this side of history, maybe because it was so hideous, people just do not want to see. People do not want to engage." ///
What is he saying that WW2 and the holocaust was also not as hideous also, what about the slaves that the Nazis used or those that the Japanese used to build their railways etc?
Just as we see less films made of these inhumane historic events these days in an attempt not to cause offence or ill feelings, to the present day Germans and Japanese, perhaps now we should do the same with other similar matters which happened further down in history?
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Slavery did not begin and end with the Africans in America, it has gone on (and still does!) since the history of mankind. It is unspeakably bad, but we should not feel that we have to bear any particular historical burden of guilt, more than anyone else. Africa has always been a mine for Arab slave traders, not only westward, but eastward too. The Turks...
14:28 Sat 04th Jan 2014
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Interesting at the end of the trailer to the film The Railway Man, the leading man says,
"I have done hating it has to stop".
Perhaps the same could be said regarding the continuous harping on about an ancient slave trade.
Forgive, forget and move on.
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So you'll take umbrage at a film about slavery, but don't appear to have an issue over a film that is not dissimilar (but obviously more graphic with the torture scenes) to Bridge On The River Kwai?
Why don't you wake up and smell what you're shovelling?
"I have done hating it has to stop".
Perhaps the same could be said regarding the continuous harping on about an ancient slave trade.
Forgive, forget and move on.
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So you'll take umbrage at a film about slavery, but don't appear to have an issue over a film that is not dissimilar (but obviously more graphic with the torture scenes) to Bridge On The River Kwai?
Why don't you wake up and smell what you're shovelling?
Chewn
/// AOG our ancestors did some horrific things to people from all corners of the world. We were a barbaric regime. Thankfully no longer, but we shouldn't try to hide it from the history books. ///
Yes but this isn't solely down to our ancestors, so why should we always be the whipping boy?
Many others have committed barbaric acts and many still do, lets have a level playing field here.
When can we expect to see a film based on the Arab slave trade, or even Africa's own slave trade?
After all wasn't it them who originally made a very lucrative living from selling slaves to the Westerners?
/// AOG our ancestors did some horrific things to people from all corners of the world. We were a barbaric regime. Thankfully no longer, but we shouldn't try to hide it from the history books. ///
Yes but this isn't solely down to our ancestors, so why should we always be the whipping boy?
Many others have committed barbaric acts and many still do, lets have a level playing field here.
When can we expect to see a film based on the Arab slave trade, or even Africa's own slave trade?
After all wasn't it them who originally made a very lucrative living from selling slaves to the Westerners?
ChillDoubt
/// So you'll take umbrage at a film about slavery, but don't appear to have an issue over a film that is not dissimilar (but obviously more graphic with the torture scenes) to Bridge On The River Kwai? ///
Where have I ever said that I don't have an issue over the film "Bridge On The River Kwai". why do the likes of you always try to state what I have never said?
But that is not the film under discussion, and even if it was it happened only 60 odd year ago, and is more relevant in living memory to something that happened 200 years ago.
/// So you'll take umbrage at a film about slavery, but don't appear to have an issue over a film that is not dissimilar (but obviously more graphic with the torture scenes) to Bridge On The River Kwai? ///
Where have I ever said that I don't have an issue over the film "Bridge On The River Kwai". why do the likes of you always try to state what I have never said?
But that is not the film under discussion, and even if it was it happened only 60 odd year ago, and is more relevant in living memory to something that happened 200 years ago.
Where have I ever said that I don't have an issue over the film "Bridge On The River Kwai". why do the likes of you always try to state what I have never said?
But that is not the film under discussion, and even if it was it happened only 60 odd year ago, and is more relevant in living memory to something that happened 200 years ago.
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If that's not the film under discussion, why mention Nazi's and Japanese building railways in the OP then?
Why don't you just come straight out and admit it irks you that black slavery is not just the subject of a film, but by all accounts a damn good one?
Or is is that the main character is in fact a British actor giving a fantastic perfomance in what is generally seen as a subject for the Americans to be dealing with and no one else?
But that is not the film under discussion, and even if it was it happened only 60 odd year ago, and is more relevant in living memory to something that happened 200 years ago.
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If that's not the film under discussion, why mention Nazi's and Japanese building railways in the OP then?
Why don't you just come straight out and admit it irks you that black slavery is not just the subject of a film, but by all accounts a damn good one?
Or is is that the main character is in fact a British actor giving a fantastic perfomance in what is generally seen as a subject for the Americans to be dealing with and no one else?
for heaven's sake, you asked the same question in September, and got plenty of answers
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