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A Lesson Not Learnt
Jeremy Forrest mouthing I LOVE YOU in court to the underage pupil he had an affair and absconded to France with shows he either doesn't appreciate what he's done wrong or doesn't care. So IMO he deserves a very long sentence until at the very least he gets it into his thick head why such a relationship is wrong. The fact that the girl apparently responded the same way, also apologising and pledging to wait til he's free is not such a concern as she is an infatuated child. By the time Forrest gets out she may well have moved on, though if she is allowed to visit him in jail that will perpetuate an illicit romance for the Media. I've also been disturbed by glowing references Forrests fellow teachers gave to help his case, which surely condone his actions and therefore also make those teachers unsuitable for their jobs. Surely Forrest should never be allowed anywhere near a school again. what do you think?
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All those trying to mitigate Forrest's actions by blaming the parenting, the school, anyone else or any organisation are shooting themselves in the foot! In doing so they admit this man's grotesque guilt, and they should applaud the court's findings. For an adult man, teacher or not, to "fall in love" with a 14-15 year-old girl is a danger to society if that...
21:05 Fri 21st Jun 2013
"How descriptions can be changed to fit another's personal agenda."
Indeed - if it's an Asian abusing a white child, she is a child, if it's a white teacher taking a child abroad, she is a 'young woman'.
What a difference two years appears to make in your perception AOG.
Speaking as a father of three daughters, and the grandfather of a seventeen-year-old girl, my experience says different.
Indeed - if it's an Asian abusing a white child, she is a child, if it's a white teacher taking a child abroad, she is a 'young woman'.
What a difference two years appears to make in your perception AOG.
Speaking as a father of three daughters, and the grandfather of a seventeen-year-old girl, my experience says different.
/// AOG - I have noi problem accepting anyone else's point of view - including yours. ///
That is not the impression you give me, why else do you attack with such force?
/// It's just that no-one routinely dissects my responses, and adds sub-anseers to each and every point, ///
That is called debating Andy, you make a point and I counteract with my point.
/// and no-one else thinks my taking offence at their posts is my fault not theirs, and no-one else thinks I am pompouus. ///
Perhaps that is because you only seem to think that you are right, and that is the reason that I come out with the word pompous, because that is the impression you give me, but I can't speak for others, perhaps you're not in their cases, because as I have said before you seem to cosy up with them and they with you.
/// Just you, only ever you, only ever likely to be you. ///
You have just said it yourself, you have a certain mind set, which I will not be bullied into agreeing with you, so shall we just consider this to be the parting of the ways?
That is not the impression you give me, why else do you attack with such force?
/// It's just that no-one routinely dissects my responses, and adds sub-anseers to each and every point, ///
That is called debating Andy, you make a point and I counteract with my point.
/// and no-one else thinks my taking offence at their posts is my fault not theirs, and no-one else thinks I am pompouus. ///
Perhaps that is because you only seem to think that you are right, and that is the reason that I come out with the word pompous, because that is the impression you give me, but I can't speak for others, perhaps you're not in their cases, because as I have said before you seem to cosy up with them and they with you.
/// Just you, only ever you, only ever likely to be you. ///
You have just said it yourself, you have a certain mind set, which I will not be bullied into agreeing with you, so shall we just consider this to be the parting of the ways?
I understand most of the varying opinions re this case.
1. No he shouldn't be called a paedo
2. She wasn't carried screaming on the ferry
3. "Was charged with one count of child abduction" - don't think he
abducted her in any way shape or form - she seemed to go willingly.
4. Young ladies and lads in my opinion have matured so rapidly - I am
astonished myself.
EG Neighbour's son is sitting quietly (has grown phenomenally - voice broken etc) his uncle was looking for help to wash dishes etc in his bar - I (was there) and said "why don't get him to give you a hand" - grandmother reminded me - Gawd Conne - he is only 11 years true enough so he is - will be 12 in July. That is the frightening thing about the maturity issues. Also young girls fancy him - they come round to the house and they too I know are about 13yrs but would pass for 16 and 17. That is my contribution.
Either they will get married or move on - but he shouldn't lose his job over this incident.
1. No he shouldn't be called a paedo
2. She wasn't carried screaming on the ferry
3. "Was charged with one count of child abduction" - don't think he
abducted her in any way shape or form - she seemed to go willingly.
4. Young ladies and lads in my opinion have matured so rapidly - I am
astonished myself.
EG Neighbour's son is sitting quietly (has grown phenomenally - voice broken etc) his uncle was looking for help to wash dishes etc in his bar - I (was there) and said "why don't get him to give you a hand" - grandmother reminded me - Gawd Conne - he is only 11 years true enough so he is - will be 12 in July. That is the frightening thing about the maturity issues. Also young girls fancy him - they come round to the house and they too I know are about 13yrs but would pass for 16 and 17. That is my contribution.
Either they will get married or move on - but he shouldn't lose his job over this incident.
Jno - surely if he has learnt his lesson in jail - he should be allowed that "second chance" I am sure yourself have had second chances as I myself have had (maybe 3 and 4 chances). I agree it went wrong - the "worse" thing he did was he and she went away without getting contacting her parents - that is actually what he done - whatever happened between the two lies between the two of them. A bit of "love/infatuation" was involved there. Nobody can help who they love.
Five-and-a-half years in jail (maximum) for Jeremy Forrest.
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"Nobody can help who they love."
Indeed, but everyone can help what they do about loving someone.
For a teacher to 'fall in love' with a pupil, sustained inappropriate contact and behaviour is required, and that is against any and all professional ethics and responsiblities.
A man who cannot see that a relationship is inappropriate on all levels is not a fit person to teach children.
It is not about commiting a crime and being punished, it is about the inability to make suitable judgements and act according to age, position, and status.
Indeed, but everyone can help what they do about loving someone.
For a teacher to 'fall in love' with a pupil, sustained inappropriate contact and behaviour is required, and that is against any and all professional ethics and responsiblities.
A man who cannot see that a relationship is inappropriate on all levels is not a fit person to teach children.
It is not about commiting a crime and being punished, it is about the inability to make suitable judgements and act according to age, position, and status.
Right Baldric - thanks for info - I am sorry he got so long as I know a guy who killed a mother and son and got 4 years and got out in 2. So that is sad for him. I am aware he will get out before that. Don't believe he deserved that length of time - because they ie him and her were in a consensual relationship.
you can't help who you love, Conne, but you can help what you do about it. A teacher should be able to say no.
Whether he'll be a better man in five and a half years, I don't know; but broadly speaking, whenever teachers apply for a job you have to think there will always be someone better than him on the list.
Whether he'll be a better man in five and a half years, I don't know; but broadly speaking, whenever teachers apply for a job you have to think there will always be someone better than him on the list.
Legally it's not consensual as she was too young to give consent. He has abused his position, taken a girl away from her family... and they were apparently both depressed/ unhappy/ other personal problems. The entire relationship was doomed from the start, and he should have seen this.
I find it hard to believe that their love for each other was anything more than an infatuation that will pass, although if they do end up together in the future I'll stand corrected. But that's not the point. He was a teacher, not a lover. She was too young. They ran away from her home. All of these considerations have to take precedence over personal feelings sometimes.
I find it hard to believe that their love for each other was anything more than an infatuation that will pass, although if they do end up together in the future I'll stand corrected. But that's not the point. He was a teacher, not a lover. She was too young. They ran away from her home. All of these considerations have to take precedence over personal feelings sometimes.
