When Did The Practise Of Allowing An Army That Had Taken A City A Day Of Rape And Pillage?

[sandyRoe]

The fall of Berlin to the Red Army near the end of WW2, maybe? But apart from that?

[Peter Pedant]

Blimey being conquered by the Romans was no fun at all

part of the spoils of war was the enslavement of the whole population

hence Carafonius' " you create a desert and call it Peace "

[dannyk13]

You may find what you are looking for here Sandy:-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wartime_sexual_violence

[anotheoldgit]

Apparently, it wasn't just the Red Army who committed such acts at the end of WW2, Sandy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV0TtnwbkpQ

[CrapAtCryptics]

I suspect nobody has told Isil that we dont do that anymore.

[vetuste_ennemi]

I thought it was Tacitus. Anyhow, the Romans didn't enslave whole populations: they taxed them.

[Togo]

Cologne 2016?

[sandyRoe]

Who was Moleworth, an underappreciated Gibbons?

[Ninefingers]

It's happened forever, right back through time and I doubt any country ddn't perpetrate the acts over successive wars, allegedly Wellington told senior aide's after the breaching of Badajoz in the Peninsula Wars; at dawn hang two at each gate then clear the cities, same happened at the storming of Seringapatam and the routing of the Tippoo Sultan, etc etc etc .

[Canary42]

The Practice.
To Practise.

[i] OK, I'll get my coat ;-) [i]

[Hypognosis]

@aog

Any chance of a fast-wind point for the part which you were too tired to describe in words?

Some of us have seen tens of hours of World War 1 & 2 documentaries and don't have the willpower to sit through another 90 minutes' worth, solely to spare you the bother of naming the location/incident.

If you make a claim and it's a renowned incident, then we'll take your word for it and not challenge you for links or reference material. We only need that when it's a news story, you are miles ahead of us and the story stretches our credulity. If it is established history there is no need to post a video of that length.

We can skim-read a wiki article in minutes. Cannot do that with a video.

(this comment is really directed to all people who post videos to back up their claims, instead of reading material, not solely at you, AOG).

[Ninefingers]

Take your pick.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_occupation_of_Germany
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_crimes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_occupation_of_Germany
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Badajoz_(1812)

[Hypognosis]

Thanks, Ninefingers. It was more a case "which rapes (of Germans) do you mean" rather than refusal to believe it happened.

As useful as your links may be, the fast-wind point AOG wanted us to see would be useful.

The opening minute was about what a tough time Germany had after WWI and I got the feeling it was going to be 90 minutes of trying to make us feel sorry for Germans. Coming from Mr Union Jack Backdrop, this seemed to me an odd choice of material.

[Hypognosis]

@sandyRoe

//Who was Moleworth, an underappreciated Gibbons?//

Molesworth; a character from Ronald Searle's "Down with Skule"

[Hypognosis]

@Sandy Roe (re OP)

I guess the point you are trying to make is that it either never ended or else it has been reinstitutec in the terrorist era.

This Yazidi woman says "I don't know about military matters but I know [other countries' armies] have a code and do not hurt women or children".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0728jkb

(BBC Hardtalk, screened 04:30 today).

[waterboatman]

It hasn't ended. Just look what is happening in the middle East and in parts of Africa.

[murraymints]

women will always be victims of war..in one way or the other..very very sad and quite unacceptable but....the savagery of men and all that...these women do not deserve such treatment but there is no protection for them and nobody really seems to care..I despair...

[Hypognosis]

The Yazidi woman described how the men of the village (700 of them!) were led away by Daesh.

Now you all know what happens next. I cannot believe people can be so insulated from world affairs that they either do not know about or simply didn't care about what happened in WWII or Srebrenica or Rwanda and be so naive as to think they were being led away to be imprisoned or enslaved.

How many gunmen does it take for 700 unarmed men to feel unable to overpower. Yes, the ones who instigate a mass charge will get shot but, by being totally passive, they ALL got shot.

This keeps happening and I don't understand why. Maybe there's a streak of fatalism about these cultures?

[murraymints]

hypo..by the time this scenario exists..any victims are already so down trodden and automatic gunfire cannot be resisted..a terrible terrible human tragedy..and failing..the so called victors take pride in their "spoils"....that the urge for dominance and display thereof by mindless massacre is all important..sad ..sad

[Hypognosis]

I couldn't say it any better, myself, Minty.

Worst part is that, I suspect, our brains are wired up to release "reward" chemicals which give us that "buzz", of victory. It encourages repetition of the behaviour which led to that win.

If we're descended from hominids which had the classic "alpha" male/female setup then the neural pathways and hormone systems will have been bred into all of us.

Despite all wars and suffering, human population continues upwards. The 'bad' stuff will never be selected against or die out in these circumstances.

[murraymints]

nope..and I really fear for future generations...