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Ukip Conference: Smoking Ban 'more Harmful' Than Pit Closures (!)
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Really ?
What....the smoking ban is worst that mass unemployment in coal producing areas ?
Is any wonder that UKIP is seen as mad as a box of frogs ?
The mind boggles !
( TTT is going to love this ! )
Really ?
What....the smoking ban is worst that mass unemployment in coal producing areas ?
Is any wonder that UKIP is seen as mad as a box of frogs ?
The mind boggles !
( TTT is going to love this ! )
Answers
To summarize: Cherries have pits; the pits were closed; and the smoking ban is the pits.
14:24 Sat 26th Sep 2015
mikey if you are going to quote at least quote whats written and not what you think it means
and the correct quote is
"damaged more communities than the pit closures did".
"At a fringe meeting about which political party best spoke for the working class, Tim Aker said the 2005 ban had upped levels of hidden drinking by forcing people "to retreat inwards".
It was evidence of a "bankrupt" Labour telling people "what to do and think".
"fringe" being important here
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and the correct quote is
"damaged more communities than the pit closures did".
"At a fringe meeting about which political party best spoke for the working class, Tim Aker said the 2005 ban had upped levels of hidden drinking by forcing people "to retreat inwards".
It was evidence of a "bankrupt" Labour telling people "what to do and think".
"fringe" being important here
"
no I'll add a bit mikey
" Mr Aker said the closure of pubs in many communities meant "there was no community left". He insisted he did not mean to "belittle the hardships of those who lost their jobs in the pits" but sought to "draw a parallel between their closures and the closure of pubs".
cherry pick all you like for the good it will do.
" Mr Aker said the closure of pubs in many communities meant "there was no community left". He insisted he did not mean to "belittle the hardships of those who lost their jobs in the pits" but sought to "draw a parallel between their closures and the closure of pubs".
cherry pick all you like for the good it will do.
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But his original point is wrong. Pubs are closing for all sorts of reasons, the ban on smoking being only one reason.
But when the pits closed down, it brought about widespread unemployment and misery. If the fringe meeting wanted to discuss how to revive former pit communities, then it would have been an interesting discussion.
But all that has been achieved is that UKIP has been caught with its foot in its mouth again.
But when the pits closed down, it brought about widespread unemployment and misery. If the fringe meeting wanted to discuss how to revive former pit communities, then it would have been an interesting discussion.
But all that has been achieved is that UKIP has been caught with its foot in its mouth again.
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UKIP has been caught with its foot in its mouth again -no it hasn't. Misquoted headlines and biased journalism as usual. When UKIP eventually get in I hope the disband the BBC its disgraceful they are supposed to be journalists not spin doctors for the Labour party.
BTW -its great here in Doncaster -nige send his love lol!
BTW -its great here in Doncaster -nige send his love lol!
4 million votes mikey......and to quote your BBC article
"Mr Goodwin told the fringe meeting that past assumptions that UKIP voters were "exiled Tories who liked to wear tweed and corduroy and spend most of their time playing golf" had been scotched by its performance in May - when it attracted 29% of working class votes, compared with Labour's 27%."
"Mr Goodwin told the fringe meeting that past assumptions that UKIP voters were "exiled Tories who liked to wear tweed and corduroy and spend most of their time playing golf" had been scotched by its performance in May - when it attracted 29% of working class votes, compared with Labour's 27%."
yes, I do have some sympathy with UKIP, but this is one of the things I don't like about them, essentially Farage is a smoker and like all smokers he's a smelly selfish Oaf who thinks their disgusting habit is ok to inflict on normal people. It is this attitude that makes the ban necessary in the first place.
" "They (Labour) say all the time, despite ignoring the facts, that it was the pit closures that destroyed all the communities.
"But I put it to you that the smoking ban has destroyed more communities than any any pit closure has done because when people don't have a place to meet, a place to socialise, they retreat in.
"What sort of outcome is it to say 'we don't want you drinking and smoking, take it out of the licensed area', and it goes all the way back to the homes where people are drinking and smoking more in front of their children."
From that, it would seem that far from being misquoted, the report has got it about right.
The closing of pubs is to be lamented, but he's comparing people drinking at home with the destruction of whole communities. And I don;t think Labour or anyone else has claimed that put closures destroyed "all communities" What? Everywhere? So it is My Aker doing the misquoting. Not so much "rent-a-quote" as "invent-a-quote" for your own ends.
"But I put it to you that the smoking ban has destroyed more communities than any any pit closure has done because when people don't have a place to meet, a place to socialise, they retreat in.
"What sort of outcome is it to say 'we don't want you drinking and smoking, take it out of the licensed area', and it goes all the way back to the homes where people are drinking and smoking more in front of their children."
From that, it would seem that far from being misquoted, the report has got it about right.
The closing of pubs is to be lamented, but he's comparing people drinking at home with the destruction of whole communities. And I don;t think Labour or anyone else has claimed that put closures destroyed "all communities" What? Everywhere? So it is My Aker doing the misquoting. Not so much "rent-a-quote" as "invent-a-quote" for your own ends.
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