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mikey4444 | 20:24 Mon 16th Mar 2015 | Crosswords
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1a....A piece about fine 17 member....?M?R?C?

AMERICA ? Can't see how !
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Avatar Image AlwaysConfused
embrace? what is the answer to 17
20:30 Mon 16th Mar 2015
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American

A Man (piece on a chess board) round Eric (an old Tac in Ireland)
20:31 Mon 16th Mar 2015
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Not sure that EMBRACED is right...should have been ?M?R?C?? by the way...sorry.

17 is "Code words used on the radio for US baseball team "....YANKEES
20:32 Mon 16th Mar 2015
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1a American - 'a man' (a piece, about) 'eric' ([a] fine, in old Irish law)
20:32 Mon 16th Mar 2015
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Tax - sorry
20:33 Mon 16th Mar 2015
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Mamy...not sure what a TAC is, and where is American defined within the clue ?
20:34 Mon 16th Mar 2015
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Mamy...crossed in post ! But I still can't see the definition.
20:35 Mon 16th Mar 2015
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If you can't see the connection between Yankees and American...
20:37 Mon 16th Mar 2015
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I wouldn't have put it quite so tersely - but yes Yankee = American.
20:41 Mon 16th Mar 2015
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I am sure you wouldn't mamy ! But you are always so polite !

So the definition is for member...a member of the Yankees then ?
21:59 Mon 16th Mar 2015
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Yes it is.
22:01 Mon 16th Mar 2015
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A piece about fine - is the wordplay

17 member - is the definition; a Yankee is an American.
22:03 Mon 16th Mar 2015
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Thanks mamy.

Isn't it unusual for a cryptic answer not to be defined by a word in the clue but by reference to another clue ? After all, America is not defined any word within its own clue ?
22:06 Mon 16th Mar 2015
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Not very common in the Times but it does happen - always the first thing to do if I see a number in the clue is to check if that refers to another clue.
22:11 Mon 16th Mar 2015
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Once again.....thanks Mamy !
22:13 Mon 16th Mar 2015
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The Grauniad used to be notorious for that. Things like, 6 of 15 has 27, but no 18. I made that up as an example - it's meaningless as it stands.
22:15 Mon 16th Mar 2015
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Oh Yes far more common there, I agree.


Nice to chat Mikey.
22:20 Mon 16th Mar 2015

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