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Libyan hospital - bodies found
Just watched the sad news tonight that many bodies have been found in a hospital in Libya. It said all the injured were just abandoned in their beds and bled to death when the doctors and nurses fled. Is this right? I can't believe this - that they would just leave them to die .....
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I saw the tv news and not at all surprised.
The Arab and African Country's are so different than the West and they don't seem to have the same human concern than we do, life it seems is so cheap and not important..
I have been watching the rebels on tv firing their guns in the air the past week or so, whats that all about?
Are they that thick that the bullets wont fall to the ground and kill some poor child etc?
The Arab and African Country's are so different than the West and they don't seem to have the same human concern than we do, life it seems is so cheap and not important..
I have been watching the rebels on tv firing their guns in the air the past week or so, whats that all about?
Are they that thick that the bullets wont fall to the ground and kill some poor child etc?
trt not sure i agree that they treat life as cheap and unimportant, but when you watch the news, it does make you wonder when will all the bloodshed end. Like the atrocity which seems to have slipped past the radar yesterday, a UN building in Nigeria was bombed with many killed and injured, just horrible.
I was under the impression that the medical staff had fled but the injured and dead were still being brought there after they had left. And at the moment nobody knows where the doctor and nurses are - for all we know they may have been killed for treating the 'other side'.
trt Its a bit easy to sit safe and well at a computer and say the Arabs and Africans are so very different to us - but I think we'd all be surprised what we were capable of if our lives and the lives of our families were under threat... though the thing about shooting in the air all the time is indeed stupid.
trt Its a bit easy to sit safe and well at a computer and say the Arabs and Africans are so very different to us - but I think we'd all be surprised what we were capable of if our lives and the lives of our families were under threat... though the thing about shooting in the air all the time is indeed stupid.
trt is in part right - what should have been added is that there is little concern for the value of life oustide their own imminent circle be it family, clan, tribe etc - and certainly the degree of brutality that can be exerted on others.
On the subject, I do not know if it was the med staff fleeing as they thought that they were under fire or whether they would be seen (or are) Qadaffi stooges.
As to the firing of guns in the air in celebration, there was that "accident" several years ago in Lebanon in a cinema when some 12 people died. Guns were going off inside the cinema with the bullets ricocheting off the ceiling - the film, no less than Rambo!
On the subject, I do not know if it was the med staff fleeing as they thought that they were under fire or whether they would be seen (or are) Qadaffi stooges.
As to the firing of guns in the air in celebration, there was that "accident" several years ago in Lebanon in a cinema when some 12 people died. Guns were going off inside the cinema with the bullets ricocheting off the ceiling - the film, no less than Rambo!
It's easy to say all this from the comfort of one's living room. Doctors and nurses have been working round the clock in Tripoli and elsewhere to help victims, but it's obvious that Gaddafi's men have been going round slaughtering people out of spite. Presumaby the doctors and nurses who fled would have ended up going the same way as their victimes had they not fled.
As for firing guns in the air - that's a tradition albeit a scary one. There's an old tradition here where people go out at weekends and damage their lovers with alcohol and (until recently) poisoned others with cigarette smoke in pubs. Societies are different the world over. Respect for human life isn't really so different ...
As for firing guns in the air - that's a tradition albeit a scary one. There's an old tradition here where people go out at weekends and damage their lovers with alcohol and (until recently) poisoned others with cigarette smoke in pubs. Societies are different the world over. Respect for human life isn't really so different ...
>> “In Tripoli, we are seeing the same pattern in recent days that we saw earlier in the east,” said Diana Eltahawy, Libya researcher for Amnesty International. She described a record of abuse, torture and the extrajudicial killing of captured pro-Gaddafi fighters that has followed the rebels from east to west as they have taken over the country.
In the wreckage of a Tripoli fire station and field hospital on Friday, five fighters loyal to Gaddafi lay in agony and blood, apparently left to die by their vanquishers. They had been without food, water or medical attention for two days.
Rebel fighters patrolling the compound knew the men were there, but scarcely seemed to care. “We would take them to the hospital, but there are no hospitals,” said Salah Mansoor, a law school graduate and shopkeeper dressed in a Liverpool soccer shirt. “There are no cars to take them,” he added, as a taxi cruised by. <<
In the wreckage of a Tripoli fire station and field hospital on Friday, five fighters loyal to Gaddafi lay in agony and blood, apparently left to die by their vanquishers. They had been without food, water or medical attention for two days.
Rebel fighters patrolling the compound knew the men were there, but scarcely seemed to care. “We would take them to the hospital, but there are no hospitals,” said Salah Mansoor, a law school graduate and shopkeeper dressed in a Liverpool soccer shirt. “There are no cars to take them,” he added, as a taxi cruised by. <<
/// As for firing guns in the air - that's a tradition albeit a scary one. There's an old tradition here where people go out at weekends and damage their lovers with alcohol and (until recently) poisoned others with cigarette smoke in pubs. Societies are different the world over. Respect for human life isn't really so different ...///
I don't believe I have just read this.......
Just picture that age old western tradition of pouring that poison alcohol down our lovers necks?????
And then going into a pub smoking, with scores of people dropping down around you??????
And here are we criticising the Africans, when there is just no respect for human life in the West.
I don't believe I have just read this.......
Just picture that age old western tradition of pouring that poison alcohol down our lovers necks?????
And then going into a pub smoking, with scores of people dropping down around you??????
And here are we criticising the Africans, when there is just no respect for human life in the West.
"ichkeria think you may have that wrong the picture i looked at was troops loyal to gaddafi who had been left to die
the doctors and nurses had moved to get away from rebels "
I don't believe I have that wrong, as a matter of fact. The hospital was taking casualties of both sides, but the staff fled largely because of attacks by rebels.
the doctors and nurses had moved to get away from rebels "
I don't believe I have that wrong, as a matter of fact. The hospital was taking casualties of both sides, but the staff fled largely because of attacks by rebels.
From Amnesty International
// But Gaddafi loyalists were also targets of apparent extrajudicial killings. Those deaths have cast a dark shadow over Libya's new-found freedom and call into question whether the rebels will break with Colonel Gaddafi's blood-soaked style of governance or merely mimic it.
Diana Eltahawy, Libya researcher for Amnesty International, said a trail of abuse, torture and the extrajudicial killing of captured pro-Gaddafi fighters had followed the rebels from east to west as they took over the country. //
// But Gaddafi loyalists were also targets of apparent extrajudicial killings. Those deaths have cast a dark shadow over Libya's new-found freedom and call into question whether the rebels will break with Colonel Gaddafi's blood-soaked style of governance or merely mimic it.
Diana Eltahawy, Libya researcher for Amnesty International, said a trail of abuse, torture and the extrajudicial killing of captured pro-Gaddafi fighters had followed the rebels from east to west as they took over the country. //
From the press
// Men believed to be Gaddafi supporters or fighters were left moaning and calling for water at a clinic attached to a fire station in Abu Salim. Curious men from the neighbourhood climbed stairs to look at the men, but none offered help.
Associated Press reporters flagged down a cab to take some of the wounded from the clinic to a hospital. The driver at first agreed, but men from the neighbourhood intervened, saying the men would have to be interrogated before they could be move //
// Men believed to be Gaddafi supporters or fighters were left moaning and calling for water at a clinic attached to a fire station in Abu Salim. Curious men from the neighbourhood climbed stairs to look at the men, but none offered help.
Associated Press reporters flagged down a cab to take some of the wounded from the clinic to a hospital. The driver at first agreed, but men from the neighbourhood intervened, saying the men would have to be interrogated before they could be move //
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Munnty
From the press
"// Men believed to be Gaddafi supporters or fighters were left moaning and calling for water at a clinic attached to a fire station in Abu Salim. Curious men from the neighbourhood climbed stairs to look at the men, but none offered help."
That is a separate incident from the one that inspired the question. No one denies both sides have engaged in atrocities.
Munnty
From the press
"// Men believed to be Gaddafi supporters or fighters were left moaning and calling for water at a clinic attached to a fire station in Abu Salim. Curious men from the neighbourhood climbed stairs to look at the men, but none offered help."
That is a separate incident from the one that inspired the question. No one denies both sides have engaged in atrocities.
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