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Paigntonian | 20:19 Fri 24th Jun 2022 | News
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Two things I don't understand in regards to the overturning of Roe v Wade.
1. Is it not the case that women choosing to have an abortion can/could do so by taking pills available via the Internet?
2.Can criminalising those who carry out abortions, doctors etc, be anything but pointless when a need for abortions will inevitably be fulfilled by back streets practitioners causing more deaths and adverse health outcomes?
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Well pardon me but the idea that the majority of women use abortion as a means of contraception is beyond ridiculous. Abortion isn’t nice. Best way to combat is not to try to ban it. It won’t work
20:49 Fri 24th Jun 2022
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Because so many states were just waiting for this to happen, with legislation which comes into effect very quickly.

The position on medicated abortion is interesting: one drug at least is FDA approved which might be deemed a federal endorsement in legal challenges
The entire issue of abortion rights needs (and it appears, has) to be removed from a Constitutional Footing and be immediately laid before Congress and be enshrined into Federal Law.
But I imagine few have the guts or the will to take the gamble in doing so.
In the meantime, modern American women now find themselves having their rights to their own bodies constrained by the writings of men made centuries ago...... I bet the irony is lost on them.
This is a United States problem. The genie has been out of the bottle for 50 years. If they think they can put it back, let's see where that leads ...

Is the United States a democracy? I would say yes, of sorts, although the ability to change three Supreme Court judges in one four year tenure is a weakness. So this decision is democratic.

What needs to happen now, in those states where abortion is being made illegal, is that people need to get out and vote if they want to change that. If you live in a democracy and you don't like the law, you have an opportunity to change it. There can be no greater advertisement for the benefits of abortion than the genie being out of the bottle for 50 years and then put back in. If even that advertisement isn't sufficient to get people to vote for change, then that's democracy in action ...
Zebo, I've just posted about that gun ruling...insane.
I know if they wanted to make it a Constitutional Right they would have put it in the Constitution.
Don't worry, the abortion mills will grind on. The faux left will still spend taxpayer billions exporting abortion. They get too many kick-backs from the abortion industry not to.
I don't see this as a left vs right issue. Is it?
To a certain extent, yes. It's the republican dominated States that already have laws to limit abortion rights and many have now made it illegal. These are also bible belt States. In these states, many will vote purely on the basis of a candidates stance on abortion...and gun control.
> In these states, many will vote purely on the basis of a candidates stance on abortion

Then that's what the pro-abortion side needs to do too.
When a country bans abortion it often is because the population numbers are dropping.
I don't think that's the case in the US andres. There's been a very strong anti abortion lobby there for decades...starting with the Catholic church and the conservative bible belt States.
Just see this on Twitter from someone.
Stop abortion at the source. Vasectomies are reversible. Make every young man have one. When he's deemed financially and emotionally fit to be a Father, it will be reversed. What's that?.
Did the idea of regulating a man's body make you uncomfortable?
Then mind your *******
business

//In the meantime, modern American women now find themselves having their rights to their own bodies constrained by the writings of men made centuries ago...... I bet the irony is lost on them.//

Or in the meantime, modern American women now find themselves having not only the rights to do what they wish with their bodies, both before and after sexual intercourse, but the responsibility for the consequences as well. The responsibility to regulate abortion has been sent back to the people of American(the voters)who must make their own Federal arrangements for such matters, and is no longer deemed to be the responsibility of the Republic. Men" who laid down the Constitution are referenced, in the usual peevish and contemptuous manner, as somehow being targets for blame. When the Constitution was written and passed into law, abortion was a crime in every single State as indeed it was in Countries around the World, and threrefor unlikely to have been drafted with the intent that abortion was a Constitutional right. Back to the States if women want abortions on demand, as it should have been originally. Roe and Casey was a pyrrhic victory, when the abortion lobby stampeded it through the law courts. All this judgement is saying is that women do not have a Constitutional right to abortion ... i.e. the Government of America is not responsible for your abortion. As was said by Justice Alito. “Abortion presents a profound moral question. The Constitution does not prohibit the citizens of each State from regulating or prohibiting abortion. Roe and Casey arrogated that authority. The Court overrules those decisions and returns that authority to the people and their elected representatives.”

Just an aside ... the loudest protests are from the vile establishments who have been making $millions from harvesting product from the aborted fetal parts.


Patsy, very good that
Chelle, wasn't it just! :-)
Full marks Togs.
Not very good at all. One can not compare an issue on whether an individual yet to be born can be stopped by someone choosing to go through a medical procedure, with a situation where one is forcing an undesired medical procedure on someone. If debate is to be reasonable one must try to avoid invalid attempts at comparison.
// all this judgement is saying...//
...is that women no longer have control over their own bodies in upwards of half the States, that a right they have had for 50 years has now been denied them, that if they want to take advantage where that right is available, they will need to travel or take risks that might threaten future ability to have children...or their own lives.
{{ // all this judgement is saying...//
...is that women no longer have control over their own bodies }}

This judgement is saying that women must be given back the control of their bodies because the Republic is neither entitled, or of a mind, to be in control of them on their behalf. Abortions have not been banned, but they will certainly not be taken lightly or considered a right from henceforth.
> women no longer have control over their own bodies in upwards of half the States

If abortion is legal in California and illegal in Texas, how did the people of Texas let that happen and what are they going to do about it?

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