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Apparently things tend to mutate to be less harmful. It makes sense because killing off your host is not the best survival strategy.
22:27 Wed 01st Dec 2021
so early verdict
can we stop it with the latest cobras?
nope
15:36 I am sick to death of it as well, especially the sanctimonious do-gooders on this site who never stop bleating !! I have been trying for a long time to get on with my life and will carry on doing so, and just hope there are no more lockdowns to contend with !
Sanctimonious do-gooder = follows the govement guidance / rules eg regulations face coverings and advice from medical professionals in order to protect others rather than be selfish
//NJ said half of the 50 000 cases were dobly jabbed//

Did he? Perhaps you could point me to it. As far as I recall I have never mentioned anything about anybody being double jabbed. I also never mentioned anything about those suffering from the new variant. What I said was that half the people who have Covid don't know they have it (or, put another way, the actual number of new infections is twice the declared figure). There are plenty of studies which suggest this if you care to look for them. Some estimates are as low as 35%, some as high as 75%. I've used 50% as a rough average.

What your posts at 16:50 and 19:33 are going on about is anybody's guess. All very interesting I'm sure but they have no relevance to anything I've said. But as you often say - "Hey! This is AB after all!"
Shirley, I’m triple jabbed but I agree with you. The holier than thou here get on my pip too.
So just because there are some people who are carrying the virus without knowing because they haven't been tested you think the other infected ones who know there positive might aswell go out and freely infect people. So make things twice as bad. Maybe you need to think again. 99%of health professionals and most business leaders or economist would disagree as they want to se the covud situation controlled asmuch as possible rather than risk the lockdowns
// the holier than though on here get on my pip too//
I agree. Assuming you mean those that think they know better than the experts -but only when it suits them
Yes judge my apologies - you didnt say half were jabbed
my apologies. - you're not psychic...
// Some estimates are as low as 35%,//
no they ( some estimates) are as low as 1.82%

and ( maths is not your forte) 20 x 1.82 is around 50 which is the figure you gave 25 is better - times not percent. and I suggest that a variation of 25x ( 2400% that is) is nonsensical

as for making sense, I dont have to make sense: I am not a judge



as for Neuron and spanish flu - there is no much to teach us ( it killed the young 15-34 and left the olds untouched)

review here
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/reconstruction-1918-virus.html

(includes the gruesome young lady who dug up the Inuit with flu). I cant find the antibody prevalence for spanish flu- that would allow estimation of the r number.
You're forgiven, Peter. Apology accepted.

//So just because there are some people who are carrying the virus without knowing because they haven't been tested you think the other infected ones who know there positive might aswell go out and freely infect people.//

Only the ones displaying symptoms would know they have it because they are the only ones who should be tested. The disease is now preventable and treatable and mass testing of people who are not ill is unnecessary. It's causing continued fear and alarm, it's causing economic damage and jeopardises the wellbeing of vast numbers of people. Unless and until the disease reverts to being unpreventable and untreatable life should resume as near as possible to normal. We cannot continue to jump like scared rabbits every time the virus mutates to something different. And you still haven't said what it will take for you to be happy for this current situation to end.

//and ( maths is not your forte) 20 x 1.82 is around 50 which is the figure you gave 25 is better - times not percent. and I suggest that a variation of 25x ( 2400% that is) is nonsensical//

Sorry, but I've absolutely no idea what you're talking about, Peter. And despite maths allegedly not being my forte (which I take it is an assumption based on nothing at all) 20 x 1.82 is 36.4 - a good way from 50, I think (though I still don't know what that has to do with the price of fish).
Neuron mentioned spanish flu and its lessons - ( none)
and how it ended
( not natural immunity - herd immunity)
is dealt with here
https://time.com/5894403/how-the-1918-flu-pandemic-ended/

and it gives the prevalence of antibodies ( sortta frozen in aspic) to the spanish flu virus of 30%. - - - they even secured antibodies to the 1888 stockholm . It came up in our lectures in 1970

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1889%E2%80%931890_pandemic

and to answer ( well inform) Neuron - if the herd immunity of 30% ended the spanish flu epidemic, then the R number ( I calculate) was around 1.15. Omicron times today, estimated R >2

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1889%E2%80%931890_pandemic

Flu virology and anti-body-ology was a big deal in the seventies
someone wrote: Some carrier estimates are as low as 35%,
I found a paper where the estimate of the carriers was 1.82%
and the difference is a factor of: 20 x 1.82 is 36.4
twenty - a factor of twenty not twenty percent

Practically speaking I dont believe all 61 of the infected south africans were asymptomatic carriers - I think they were flying when they knew they were ill.


and so no I dont think we can stop with the latest cobras
No, bobbin, I don’t mean that. I mean people who treat those who wish to make their own choices as pariahs.
21:00 No bobbinwales, I don't know about anybody else, but I mean YOU !
Of course there are others as well, but you are the worst !
The headlines are still
scaremongering about the number of infections, yet again nothing about how many are actually hospital, which is what the vaccines are all about, keeping people out of hospital but many seem to losing sight of this, helped by the media's sensationalist headlines. Everyone please just get a grip for goodness sake.

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