Covid Deaths Uk

[joe1]

Hope there is a doctor in the house.
Given that there is still an average of 100 deaths a day in UK - and majority of deaths are among the old - who have been double jabbed.
Why are so many still dying and why?

[Canary42]

Not all old have been double-jabbed

100 per day is a small figure in a 60,000,000 population (that's less than 2 per week in Oxford for example).

The large anti-vac population provide a significant breeding ground for fresh mutations.

The jab has never been claimed to be 100% effective.

[Canary42]

P.S. I am not a doctor.

[joe1]

Thanks for your reply.

So, do you reckon that is this amount of deaths is going to hang around if non vaccers rate stays about the same?

[tonyav]

Maybe it's a different variant of covid to what the double vaccinated have been vaccinated against !

[Hopkirk]

The statistic is of people dying within 28 days of a positive test. Many of those may not be dying because of covid.

[johnk]

Why are covid deaths never compared to other deaths like traffic accidents, cancer, heart attacks and many many others or is covid just the most sensational?

[1ozzy]

Covid is the newest John

[smurfchops]

Could it be that after time the vaccinations are less effective, hence the booster?

[AuntPG]

Many older people die of influenza every year despite having the flu jab. Older people often have underlying health conditions and a dose of flu or Covid just helps them on their way so to speak.

[cashier]

Perhaps because they're old. A lot will also have underlying conditions.

[ToraToraTora]

deaths and hospital admissions have been falling for weeks.

[jno]

not really, TTT, deaths have sort of levelled off over the last month or so, but not falling for weeks
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths

Similar with hospital admissions, but they do seem to be tailing off a bit more for the last fortnight
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare

[sevenOP]

Canary42: "100 per day is a small figure in a 60,000,000 population (that's less than 2 per week in Oxford for example).

The large anti-vac population provide a significant breeding ground for fresh mutations."

There is so much variation geographically,socially, seasonally, culturally by population density and biological complexity, that establishing observable,factual data is of covid-19 is extremely challenging, so trying to draw simplistic analogies, like your Oxford one, is unwise.

There is zero proof that " fresh mutations" have arisen from "The large anti-vac population".

https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2074
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/delta-infection-unvaccinated-and-vaccinated-people-have-similar-levels-of-virus#Delta

The number of pcr tests conducted now in the UK is almost half of what it was near the end of March 2021.

[Peter Pedant]

// 100 per day is a small figure in a 60,000,000 population (that's less than 2 per week in Oxford for example).//

well done the canary saying the figures have to pumped, smoothed or normalised. She has done it against the UK pop. You could do the no vaccinted.

In fact the useful one is against those infected / testing positive - here and it is.... 30 000 - that is 0.3% innit
peanuts for a death ratio
BUT since they take around 14 d to die it should be against those testing positive 14 d ago ( this is called an offset)
and it is still around 0.3%

and is much much higher than France Italy and Germany
the pointy headed intellectuals dont know the reason why
Me - I think the anglos are genetically more suscep. very unpopular ( my race is weak. Jesus)

America - much worse 700 000 dead passed a few days ago

Worse - or better - they opened the pubs and the numbers fell - and they opened the skools and the numbers fell further....
Completely unexpected

[Peter Pedant]

// There is zero proof that " fresh mutations" have arisen from "The large anti-vac population".//

yup - I am not sure if any significant ( VOC) has arisen first in the anti vac population ( because it hasnt been measured)

or in the vaccinated population ( or what? - a significant mutation in the vaccinated population)

however we know the virus circulates 'more' in the non-vaccinated - it is there more, killing and maiming, deceiving and bereaving the innocent which is where the anti-vaxxers are
and so.....

// "The large anti-vac population provide a significant breeding ground for fresh mutations."//
.... would be true (valid consistent or arguable)

cos 'The large anti-vac population' identifies the unvaccinated population and this is where the new viruses are arising

oh well - this is AB

[sevenOP]

PP,
your " 0.3% innit" @ 16:10 Mon 04th Oct 2021, is academically meaningless,
I could say according to the UK govt +ve pcr 'cases' on 29 Sept 2021 and their figure of deaths for that day, then the deaths were 0.0008% of +ve pcr 'cases' ... the sort of nonsense, statistical jiggery-pokery we have had since the pandemic began.

PP "however we know the virus circulates 'more' in the non-vaccinated"

If, you mean the unvaccinated can catch SARS-CoV-2 more easily and have a viral load longer, that MAY be true, please give some evidence.
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/vaccinated-people-are-less-likely-spread-covid-new-research-finds-n1280583 is largely another constrained, statistically anecdotal, GUESS.

"// "The large anti-vac population provide a significant breeding ground for fresh mutations."//
.... would be true (valid consistent or arguable) "

so could the partially and fully vaccinated population ... à la Marek's disease nightmare ?

"cos 'The large anti-vac population' identifies the unvaccinated population and this is where the new viruses are arising "

fool guess time again ('fool', because you should know better PP)

[Peter Pedant]

// PP,
your " 0.3% innit" @ 16:10 is academically meaningless,//

no cheri it is the case fatality ratio and is clearly one at the first death March 2020 and then falls and after two years takes a value of near kinda what it really is

2.// if, you mean the unvaccinated can catch SARS-CoV-2 more easily// yeah I do - broad brush stroke - proven by - - - all the current ITU cases are in unvaccinated people ..... ergo

so far none of this is rocket science

3.Vaccinated people are less likely to spread Covid, new research finds - the ref you dont like
if vaccinated spread at the same rate you would get the headline - "covid vaccination doesnt work". There isnt such a headline: vaccine does work

4. Marek's disease? it is a DNA chicken virus for chrissakes. It has nothing to say to us about covid. or if it does pray supply the evidence.

fool guess time bites back

[Peter Pedant]

Naomi type clarification coming up !
//it is the case fatality ratio and is clearly one at the first death March 2020//

it is the case fatality ratio. The ratio is clearly =1 when the first case dies as they usually do. This occurred March 2020 or thereabouts.

[pixie374]

//3.Vaccinated people are less likely to spread Covid, new research finds - the ref you dont like
if vaccinated spread at the same rate you would get the headline - "covid vaccination doesnt work". There isnt such a headline: vaccine does work//

It does seem to work, in those who have had it, in reducing symptoms.
The question is more about transmission. You can still catch it and pass it on.

Technically, are you safer standing next to an unvaccinated person without covid, or a vaccinated person with it?

[sevenOP]

PP,
"case fatality ratio" ... more fantasy, UNPROVABLE and probably unrepeatable, guessLand

" all the current ITU cases are in unvaccinated people ....."
another thrown out by PP with his zero-proof and "I'm right"
( dimensionless , ...I have given up asking for 'context up-front, please) --- ergo , ehh? --> hubris

"3.Vaccinated people.......- the ref you dont like "

my turn!.... to guess now PP... the Link that I, Li'l ole me posted? the one I thought was ambiguous/selective/anecdotal/ lots of guesswork?.... weel PP, I did it for a behaviour you sometimes show little of = 'balance' ... let people read and decide OR not, for themselves.

"4. Marek's disease? it is a DNA chicken virus"

Leaky vaccine virulence enhancement...