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London Might Be Tier 3 Today
Just when we thought things were improving, it's all getting much worse. The 5-day relaxation over Christmas is madness.
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//And whatever the number of other deaths is concerned its no consolation to those relatives of the 60000.//
Of course it isn’t, Bob. I never suggested it was. But people die of all sorts of things and older people (who make up the vast majority of those who have died of Covid) die of all sorts of things every day. I’m not saying there are no excess deaths. That said there are excess deaths in many years – by definition it is a comparison with an average, so there will be excess deaths probably five years out of ten. The way the death figure is presented suggests that all of those people would not have died but for Covid. They may not have died precisely when they did but for many of them Covid was simply one of the many things to which they were vulnerable and which may claim them.
//…his business partner died within 2 weeks of getting it. Both were around 60 but were fit as fiddles, one was still refereeing football matches until catching it, Am gutted//
Yes I’m sure you are and you have my sympathy. Three weeks ago I had a call to say that one of my oldest friends had dropped dead from a heart attack. It was his birthday. He also had no medical problems. I’d known him for more than 45 years. I too was gutted. Around 480 people die from heart disease each and every day. This means since the Covid outbreak began roughly twice as many people have died from heart disease than have died from Covid. That daily figure will continue day in, day out long after Covid has been forgotten. Stuff happens and people – even 60 year olds - die as a result.
//Have you got the figures??//
I think emmie’s figures are a little adrift. The last time I looked (and it’s from memory because I can’t be bothered to keep looking up the same stuff) 2018 was a fairly bad year for ‘flu and in that winter around 28,000 deaths resulted from it. A further 20,000 (or thereabouts) died from pneumonia. And remember, there is a (fairly) effective vaccine for ‘flu. Like I said, stuff happens.
Don’t misunderstand me. Covid is a nasty business – for some sufferers. I’ve never said otherwise. But so are lots of other things and I chose ‘flu simply as one example of many. But we don’t hear the daily death toll from, for example, heart attacks even though they are twice as prevalent as deaths from Covid. Meanwhile, because of the “protection” the NHS is enjoying, many of these other conditions are going untreated. In February there were 1,600 patients who had waited more than a year for medical treatment for acute conditions. By September that had risen to 163,000. Now it stands at 4.4m. Many of these patients are seriously ill (I know of two) and quite a number of them will die if this situation persists when normally they would not (I know of two). Covid is not the only kid on the block. But watching the news you’d certainly think it was.
Of course it isn’t, Bob. I never suggested it was. But people die of all sorts of things and older people (who make up the vast majority of those who have died of Covid) die of all sorts of things every day. I’m not saying there are no excess deaths. That said there are excess deaths in many years – by definition it is a comparison with an average, so there will be excess deaths probably five years out of ten. The way the death figure is presented suggests that all of those people would not have died but for Covid. They may not have died precisely when they did but for many of them Covid was simply one of the many things to which they were vulnerable and which may claim them.
//…his business partner died within 2 weeks of getting it. Both were around 60 but were fit as fiddles, one was still refereeing football matches until catching it, Am gutted//
Yes I’m sure you are and you have my sympathy. Three weeks ago I had a call to say that one of my oldest friends had dropped dead from a heart attack. It was his birthday. He also had no medical problems. I’d known him for more than 45 years. I too was gutted. Around 480 people die from heart disease each and every day. This means since the Covid outbreak began roughly twice as many people have died from heart disease than have died from Covid. That daily figure will continue day in, day out long after Covid has been forgotten. Stuff happens and people – even 60 year olds - die as a result.
//Have you got the figures??//
I think emmie’s figures are a little adrift. The last time I looked (and it’s from memory because I can’t be bothered to keep looking up the same stuff) 2018 was a fairly bad year for ‘flu and in that winter around 28,000 deaths resulted from it. A further 20,000 (or thereabouts) died from pneumonia. And remember, there is a (fairly) effective vaccine for ‘flu. Like I said, stuff happens.
Don’t misunderstand me. Covid is a nasty business – for some sufferers. I’ve never said otherwise. But so are lots of other things and I chose ‘flu simply as one example of many. But we don’t hear the daily death toll from, for example, heart attacks even though they are twice as prevalent as deaths from Covid. Meanwhile, because of the “protection” the NHS is enjoying, many of these other conditions are going untreated. In February there were 1,600 patients who had waited more than a year for medical treatment for acute conditions. By September that had risen to 163,000. Now it stands at 4.4m. Many of these patients are seriously ill (I know of two) and quite a number of them will die if this situation persists when normally they would not (I know of two). Covid is not the only kid on the block. But watching the news you’d certainly think it was.
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