Covid Vaccination

[smurfchops]

Will you have it or wait to see if there are any side effects?

[Peter Pedant]

// I just assumpted as a non expert that if someone's body can kill the virus then the time where they walk around carrying live transmissible virus is shortened.//

I like ..... your mind ( Klute 1967, difft circs in fact)
give me your number and we can ..... assumpt .... together

Bact - the st petersburg diphtheria outbreak in Manchester was written up in the Lancet. ( guess where it came from and went to).
and THEY said ring immunising cases had led to faster diminution in the pathogen far FASTER. They stuck their pencils in their mouths and thought - - and came out with

the toxin is coded on extra DNA (*)which the vaccine lacks - and so even if the bacterium is non-lysogenic, there is an energy cost certainly of translating the now useless toxin or of skipping it which puts the pathogen at a disadvantage compared to vaccine

cleveuuur huh? hence my surprise at the idea of vaccine prolonging carrier status

AND the ref 1958 showing it wasnt even the vaccinated person doing it ( salk didnt revert) but someone affected ! which is hardly carrying to you and me

[woofgang]

no I wasn't thinking of half a vial each PP....just musing really....so often the packaging and logistics cost more than the product so not really surprised that is the case here.

[woofgang]

thank you for the compliment PP....sadly my group assumpting days are over...its my experience of NHS bean counters (not you, you are a failed one) that they will use any excuse to avoid coughing up the beans.

[jadyn]

Can someone explain why this thread has suddenly moved to comments regarding diptheria (caused by a bacterium) rather than the Covid-19 virus?

[woofgang]

general discussion on how vaccinations work and what is known about their ability to halt the spread of infectious disease.

[jadyn]

Ah right. I read it as if the points made regarding diptheria also applied to covid. My mistake.

[Peter Pedant]

// why this thread has suddenly moved to comments regarding diptheria (caused by a bacterium)//

yeah technical - I did do a "crazy PP warning"
BUT in your rush to complain: "foo wot all dis abart den !"
you missed
the paper that said and supported the idea of carrier status might NOT be affected by vaccination ( oo er Mrs!) was a 1958 paper concerning polio vacc inj NOT in the sufferer but his immediate family and the polio victim went on excreting virus.

which to my mind does NOT allow them to say 2020 that mass vaccination may not decrease excretion of raw virus in an inoculated population

I agree points like this makes the average AB reader's eyes go like a pin ball machine

The diphtheria example - I just wanted to show people I read and understood random papers in the Lancet - no no - it shows a counter example of a vaccinated population unexpectedly leading to accelerated elimination of a pathogen.

I mean no one is reading this: the big picture is that the big picture doesnt change

[teacake44]

At 70 I seem to be experiencing lots of side effects just lately, even a sausage and egg sandwich can have its draw backs. So eh oh what the hell, it might turn out to be an exciting hit.