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Pub Opening Rules
Does anyone have a link to the .gov.uk page with the rules for pubs when they open.
I can find lots of press reports, but they contradict each other.
I want to know if there is a limit of 30 customers in bars and cafes at any one time.
(Sorry if this is in the wrong section,it seemed the most likely to get an answer.
I can find lots of press reports, but they contradict each other.
I want to know if there is a limit of 30 customers in bars and cafes at any one time.
(Sorry if this is in the wrong section,it seemed the most likely to get an answer.
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//A 'horse for courses' approach is needed by publicans (and pub chains), I feel.//
Absolutely, 'Chico.
The trouble is, the Council Wallahs who will undoubtedly be rolled out to police compliance with the "guidance" will not see it like that. A sheep dip approach will be used. Discretion by pub managers will not be tolerated.
Absolutely, 'Chico.
The trouble is, the Council Wallahs who will undoubtedly be rolled out to police compliance with the "guidance" will not see it like that. A sheep dip approach will be used. Discretion by pub managers will not be tolerated.
So no one get find the Government guidance then.
The Daily Express Report says...
// A venue is not permitted to allow more than 30 people inside, even if the venue’s capacity is beyond this number. //
// Those hoping to watch sports at the pub will not be able to watch matches for the time being as the activity associated with watching live sport is considered to be too risky. //
// pubs are urged to use a one in one out system with toilets to minimise customer interaction //
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Many pubs claim all that is rubbish, and not in the guidance, but I can’t find the guidance. The press reports say different things.
The Daily Express Report says...
// A venue is not permitted to allow more than 30 people inside, even if the venue’s capacity is beyond this number. //
// Those hoping to watch sports at the pub will not be able to watch matches for the time being as the activity associated with watching live sport is considered to be too risky. //
// pubs are urged to use a one in one out system with toilets to minimise customer interaction //
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Many pubs claim all that is rubbish, and not in the guidance, but I can’t find the guidance. The press reports say different things.
From 4 July, users of community facilities should limit their social interactions to 2 households (including support bubbles) in any location; or, if outdoors, potentially up to 6 people from different households. It will be against the law for gatherings of more than 30 people to take place.
However, premises or locations which are COVID-19 secure will be able to hold more than 30 people, subject to their own capacity limits, although any individual groups should not interact with anyone outside of the group they are attending the venue with – so in a group no larger than 2 households or 6 people if outdoors.
Where gatherings have more than 30 people, those operating venues should take additional steps to ensure the safety of the public and prevent large gatherings or mass events from taking place. At this time, venues should not permit indoor performances, including drama, comedy and music, to take place in front of a live audience.
However, premises or locations which are COVID-19 secure will be able to hold more than 30 people, subject to their own capacity limits, although any individual groups should not interact with anyone outside of the group they are attending the venue with – so in a group no larger than 2 households or 6 people if outdoors.
Where gatherings have more than 30 people, those operating venues should take additional steps to ensure the safety of the public and prevent large gatherings or mass events from taking place. At this time, venues should not permit indoor performances, including drama, comedy and music, to take place in front of a live audience.
//So no one get find the Government guidance then.//
I provided a link to the guidance (all 43 pages of it) at 16:19 yesterday.
The Daily Express is wrong. As lankeela explains, they are confusing the pub guidance with the legislation that says (or will say from Saturday) that gatherings of more than 30 people who "...are present together in the same place in order to engage in any form of social interaction with each other, or to undertake any other activity with each other" are not permitted. If I go to the pub with Mrs NJ for a pie and a pint and 20 other couples do the same we are not there "..in order to engage in any form of social interaction.." with the others.
I provided a link to the guidance (all 43 pages of it) at 16:19 yesterday.
The Daily Express is wrong. As lankeela explains, they are confusing the pub guidance with the legislation that says (or will say from Saturday) that gatherings of more than 30 people who "...are present together in the same place in order to engage in any form of social interaction with each other, or to undertake any other activity with each other" are not permitted. If I go to the pub with Mrs NJ for a pie and a pint and 20 other couples do the same we are not there "..in order to engage in any form of social interaction.." with the others.
Pubs will not be able to have more than 30 people in. There are very few exceptions that allow gathering of over 30 people and they are mostly religious - weddings, funerals etc.
But the Government advice is far from clear...
// From 4 July, when meeting friends and family - even in venues like restaurants, pubs, places of worship or community centres - you should follow the limits on gatherings...
Gatherings of people doing the same activity with each other must be no more than 30 people, other than for exceptions to be set out in law. //
And
// From 4 July, you should: only gather in slightly larger groups of up to 30 for major life events, such as weddings //
And
// Gatherings of more than 30 people will be banned, apart from some limited circumstances to be set out in law. //
And
// Those operating venues following COVID-19 Secure guidelines should take additional steps to ensure the safety of the public and prevent large gatherings or mass events from taking place. //
But the Government advice is far from clear...
// From 4 July, when meeting friends and family - even in venues like restaurants, pubs, places of worship or community centres - you should follow the limits on gatherings...
Gatherings of people doing the same activity with each other must be no more than 30 people, other than for exceptions to be set out in law. //
And
// From 4 July, you should: only gather in slightly larger groups of up to 30 for major life events, such as weddings //
And
// Gatherings of more than 30 people will be banned, apart from some limited circumstances to be set out in law. //
And
// Those operating venues following COVID-19 Secure guidelines should take additional steps to ensure the safety of the public and prevent large gatherings or mass events from taking place. //
'Gatherings', as defined by the relevant Regulations, only applies to people who "are present together in the same place in order to engage in any form of social interaction with each other, or to undertake any other activity with each other".
A pub such as Wetherspoon's 'The Last Post' in Southend could easily accomodate several different gatherings of, say, two dozen people in one of it's rooms and several more separate gatherings elsewhere on the premises, with everyone still maintaining social distancing. The rugby club group at one end of the building wouldn't be 'socially interacting' with the hen party at the other end and neither would they be 'undertaking an activity' with them, so it would be perfectly lawful.
So that pub (which, in normal busy times, typically accommodates around 500 or more customers simultaneously) should have no problems allowing well over 100 customers on the premises from Saturday onwards.
A pub such as Wetherspoon's 'The Last Post' in Southend could easily accomodate several different gatherings of, say, two dozen people in one of it's rooms and several more separate gatherings elsewhere on the premises, with everyone still maintaining social distancing. The rugby club group at one end of the building wouldn't be 'socially interacting' with the hen party at the other end and neither would they be 'undertaking an activity' with them, so it would be perfectly lawful.
So that pub (which, in normal busy times, typically accommodates around 500 or more customers simultaneously) should have no problems allowing well over 100 customers on the premises from Saturday onwards.
//Pubs will not be able to have more than 30 people in.//
That is completely incorrect as lankeela, 'Chico and I have explained.
Small groups of people who happen to arrive in the same pub do not form a "gathering" for the purposes of the Coronavirus regulations. There are some enormous pubs. The one 'Chico has mentioned is one. "The Velvet Coaster" in Blackpool and "The Royal Victoria Pavilion" in Ramsgate are others that I know of (and I know of plenty more). The latter is Wetherspoon's largest pub. It is on two floors, has an outside veranda overlooking the sea and could probably accommodate around 200 people "socially distanced".
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Although nothing surprises me with the virus regulations and guidance, it would be ludicrous to restrict such places to thirty people and neither the legislation nor the guidance does.
That is completely incorrect as lankeela, 'Chico and I have explained.
Small groups of people who happen to arrive in the same pub do not form a "gathering" for the purposes of the Coronavirus regulations. There are some enormous pubs. The one 'Chico has mentioned is one. "The Velvet Coaster" in Blackpool and "The Royal Victoria Pavilion" in Ramsgate are others that I know of (and I know of plenty more). The latter is Wetherspoon's largest pub. It is on two floors, has an outside veranda overlooking the sea and could probably accommodate around 200 people "socially distanced".
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Although nothing surprises me with the virus regulations and guidance, it would be ludicrous to restrict such places to thirty people and neither the legislation nor the guidance does.
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