Corona Virus – A Glimpse Of Our 'green' Future'?

[birdie1971]

With many countries on lock-down, it is my contention that this is a glimpse of what our society and the wider world may look like should we stop using fossil fuels – empty supermarket shelves, travel / tourism collapse, people going nowhere, multitudinous business failures, etc.

This is the future folks without petroleum, natural gas and nuclear.

Like what you see?

[TheChair]

A conclusion entirely without even the tiniest trace of logic.

[Zacs-Master]

Agreed^^^^
Green issues are tied into the world economy. This is an enforced situation due to a virus which has the potential to wreck the world economy, nothing to do with a gradual change brought about by green pressure groups.

[Mozz71]

I see someone trying to do some stirring with a 'fake news' post on AnswerBank.

[ichkeria]

I miss the Brexit threads.
The epitome of logic compared to this ...

[Spicerack]

That crossed my mind, birdie. Ignore the knockers. If any of that^ lot are right, it'll be a first.
Also, this will cost the national/world economy a lot of money. It's lucky we haven't already thrown it all away on the Global Warming Scam.

[rowanwitch]

Supersized solar yachts,maybe air technology hydroponic units growing high nutrient greens and beans. Solar panel farms under wind farms to double the value of that space, tidal barrages, holidays being less common replaced with local activities, The technology is there but needs developing if we stopped faffing around with non essentials as a species we could change everything.

[aelmpvw]

//I miss the Brexit threads//
i wondered what we'd find to talk about once brexit was over, i didn't see this one coming ...

[ichkeria]

By the time we “stop using fossil fuels” -
for example - you’d imagine that they’d have been wholly replaced by alternative fuel sources.
What’s going now is a combination of drastically measures - many of them ludicrous (look at the chaos in US airports first example) many not, to cope with a crisis that’s blown up suddenly.
We know about global warming and are preparing for it so it’s unlikely, provided that the deniers don’t have their way, that we’ll cope fine with that eventually.

[Old_Geezer]

Whilst there are many possibilities I trust humans have the ingenuity to replace fossil fuel with alternative power sources. It's the transition period that could be tricky. Possibly wrong horses bet on initially, but it'll settle down. Of course, aircraft will need very long mains leads.

[Zacs-Master]

I see the OP has had the sense to stay out of his own fekkwhit post. It must be really reassuring to know you have Spicey's support tho. PMSL.

[birdie1971]

Zacs-Master - “I see the OP has had the sense to stay out of his own fekkwhit post..”

Thanks Zacs for that post. I can't help but notice that you completely and utterly fail to address the central point of the argument. You call it a “fekkwhit” post without giving a single reason why you feel that my question is unjustified or inappropriate given the current situation. You posit no answers or suggestions to the problem.

Your response is just a simple, cretinous, “Ad Hominem” - an attack on the person, rather than the argument(s).

If you would try to engage your brain for a few moments, you would see that the Corona virus lock-down mimics the world promised by the 'Greens' – an ideological Eutopia in that there are no domestic nor international flights and limited local transportation, no CCGT power stations, no Coal, no Nuclear, no reliable, dispatchable, 24/7 power – just intermittent, unreliable wind and solar. Wonderful – a zero carbon ('carbon' being the go-to phrase for the scientifically illiterate, when what we're actually talking about is Carbon Dioxide – which is as different from Carbon as water is from Hydrogen) world that simply doesn't and cannot function.

I presume that you – Zacs-Master – are using the internet? It's a rhetorical question, I know. Are you aware that you can only access the internet because of fossil fuels? If the internet relied on intermittent wind and solar, you'd only be able to access the internet when the wind and the rotation of the Earth allowed you to do so?

Do you understand what 'base load' means? Do you understand that wind and solar cannot run an aluminium or steel smelting plant and why? Do you understand that CO2 is only 0.04% of our atmosphere and that the anthropogenic proportion of that is only around 4%? Can you tell me what the climate sensitivity to anthropogenic CO2 is? Do you know what this means? And if so, can you give me a figure and support that figure with links to published scientistic literature?

[birdie1971]

scientistic = scientific

[naomi24]

An astute observation. No, I don't like what I see.