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teacake44 | 11:52 Thu 30th Apr 2020 | Politics
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Talks a good job, but fails to act. False statements, false promises, false targets, failed to protect the elderly, failed to protect NHS workers, failed to protect care workers, failed to get PPE, failed to get testing kits, well he did buy millions, but he never got them tested to see if they worked. failed to report true death rates in care homes. In fact I can't think of one thing he has achieved. If he stays in his position any longer you will see more NHS staff die, along with many more. Get rid Boris, we need action not fancy talking.
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Can you give us the true figures then. Don't forget to include the ones sent out externally on previous days (and counted when sent out) but which have been received back today but obviously not counted again. Might be 100001 but I'll wait and see what you come up with
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HA ha ha, you really really need to ask Hancock that question, don't hold out much hope of you getting an true answer, but you have given me a good laugh just, honest. :0)))))))))))))))
Okay, so you accept you don't have info to show whether the 100000 target has been met or not . Fair enough. Best not to keep banging on about it in that case though
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OK I'll leave the banging on to Hancock. :0))
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You've seen that advert for home insurance, about that gal asking him if he knows weather his window locks comes up to British standard.
Nobody knows, nobody knows, ha ha :0)))))
Wow, yes, goalposts moved so far they were in the middle of the Atlantic.

No test can be 100% reliable, but I trust the people who designed it to have known how to do their job. But moving onto that from the question of the testing volume is pretty weak. Like, I think we all can accept that it's legitimate to question whether or not tests that have only been posted should be included in the stats, but even then it isn't a "lie", since the source for this revelation is the Government telling us so at the same time as announcing that they met their target. But that aside they have met, or almost met, the target they set. May as well let them have that one, especially as the Government is also well aware of the need to have an even higher testing rate anyway.
It's being claimed the postal tests have only recently been counted in the figures.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/01/ministers-accused-of-changing-covid-19-test-tally-to-hit-100000-goal
On 2.4.20, the PM tweeted a post saying, "We will test 100,000 people per day by the end of this month"

That's folk, not tests.

https://mobile.twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/1245820428020584450
Yes, it's not totally satisfactory way of counting in my opinion but Professor Newton did make it clear that this method has not changed, it's just that the numbers were not a significant before. If it is a fudge it's a one-off fudge because they will eventually be processing (but not counting again) most of these (we hope). The publication of a target when we are in new territory and the way some will berate them if targets aren't met must have influenced them to take steps to ensure it was met on 30 April ' by hook or by crook'. But the real challenge now is to maintain this level going forwards and ensure we could people tested not tests. If they do that we should congratulate them. Hopefully we can get to 200000 a day during May
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In a nut shell, a test sent is not a test conducted, and I can't really remember what briefing it was last week that Matt Hancock said, that they were ( training army personal) to be able to take tests at the many test stations over the UK, so if you need training to do a test right, what's the point in sending/ posting kits out to homes. The figures given by the government are about as reliable as the death figures have been for many weeks.
The deaths figures by whatever measure you want have always been there. If you chose to misunderstand them or not look then I can't help you. And Chris Whitty has constantly pointed to the Excess Mortality figure (which is published monthly I think) as the key real indicator given that every country has slightly different ways of counting /miscounting Covid deaths (and because of due to/with Covid issue)
Counting of deaths is always difficult, because the reporting has to come through and sometimes that takes a while. NHS England is still updating figures from March.
Personally I've never seen why testing is all the rage. It's fine for those who test positive: "You've got it. Go home. Do not go near anybody. Do not pass Go. Do not collect £200". Meanwhile for those who test negative: "You're fine. Go back to work and give succour to the sick and needy". And they contract the virus on the way home.

It's fine for determining how many people have got the disease. It's not too clever for identifying those who haven't. Still, I imagine somebody's thought it through
Those tested at test centres are those who are feeling unwell and think they might have the virus. If they follow social distancing, probably by driving home as they usually turn up at the test centre in a car, and avoid then self isolate to avoid contact with others. If the result they get maybe 48 hours later is positive they should continue self-isolating. If the result is negative the idea is that they return to work if feeling well enough. The aim is to get people back to work in key roles as soon as possible if the Covid result is clear.

Yes, of course they might catch Covid in the meantime if they fail to follow social distancing or pick it up at work when they return.
//Yes, of course they might catch Covid in the meantime if they fail to follow social distancing or pick it up at work when they return.//

Then they will need to be tested again...and again....and....
And?
If they feel unwell again they can get another test then. Clearly no test will ever say what will happen in the future (unless we get an antibody test or vaccine) but it's still far more useful than no testing at all- particularly when we get test, track, trace

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