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Scots: Why Do You Think Independence Would Be Beneficial To Scotland?
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With Nicola chomping at the bit for a second Scottish Independence referendum, clearly supported by many Scots here, I’ve yet to see any of them offer a rational explanation for that support. Such a move has to be economically damaging to Scotland at the very least. For the benefit of those who cannot see the sense in it, can anyone explain it please?
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Here are 10 reasons to support Scottish independence
16:15 Sun 02nd Feb 2020
Here are 10 reasons to support Scottish independence:
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Of course, the site is pro-independence, so hardly surprising!
However, if you look at the menu on the right, they also have a similar page entitled "Why be against Scottish independence?"
And, a third page entitled "10 stupid reasons to be pro or against Scottish independence".
This pretty much sums up the arguments on both sides. Pick which is the best fit with your personal views. I happen to be pro-independence and a card-carrying SNP member; I don't think that's big news or even particularly important. I know many Scots who agree with me. I also know many who don't.
I also fully get where Maggie is coming from when she says that pro-independence is not necessarily pro-SNP. The SNP is not the only party in Scotland which supports independence. In fact, I fully believe that if Scottish Labour were to completely dissociate itself from English Labour, Corbyn and the lunatic Jim Murphy, AND support Scottish independence, they'd probably wipe the floor with the SNP. And I'd probably rejoin.
https:/
Of course, the site is pro-independence, so hardly surprising!
However, if you look at the menu on the right, they also have a similar page entitled "Why be against Scottish independence?"
And, a third page entitled "10 stupid reasons to be pro or against Scottish independence".
This pretty much sums up the arguments on both sides. Pick which is the best fit with your personal views. I happen to be pro-independence and a card-carrying SNP member; I don't think that's big news or even particularly important. I know many Scots who agree with me. I also know many who don't.
I also fully get where Maggie is coming from when she says that pro-independence is not necessarily pro-SNP. The SNP is not the only party in Scotland which supports independence. In fact, I fully believe that if Scottish Labour were to completely dissociate itself from English Labour, Corbyn and the lunatic Jim Murphy, AND support Scottish independence, they'd probably wipe the floor with the SNP. And I'd probably rejoin.
A few years back I was chatting to a Slovak woman (aged around mid twenties I would say) and toward the end of the conversation asked how people feel about the split from the Czech part of Czechoslovakia - best thing we ever did she promptly replied. Iceland left the Danish Kingdom 75 years ago and more (independent in 1918), Ireland/Eire gained independence and separation from the UK 100 years ago.
Only one sample but on that one might conclude the Slovaks are perhaps happy going it on their own, there are certainly no reports in the media of significant dissatisfaction. The Slovak economy is, according to reports, not doing as well as the Czech one. They have land borders all around, but are in both the EU and Schengen. Slovakia went independent 25 years ago, current population around 5.5 million.
Iceland has no land borders, is doing conspicuously well, you would be laughed at if there you suggested it rejoin Denmark. Current population around 370,000.
Ireland/Eire is doing fairly well, it has a land border with the UK and as we know it would not be popular to suggest they return to UK rule. Current population 4.8 plus million.
None of this suggests population size or land borders are a determinant of either the "logic" of going independent, economic success, regret over having left the "former masters" or desire to return to that fold, or general satisfaction with the acquired independence. In fact, in the case of Iceland small size is clearly no barrier to in many important ways comfortably outperforming countries of the "sweet spot" size (UK included). Simply looking at the facts, it would not be an obvious folly for Scotland to choose independence from the UK - ignoring that some define membership of the EU as bondage. Scots define themselves differently from the way those south of the border do. It is not only because of this that they feel different from the southerners, their outlook is different too.
In the Union, Scotland will never in any major respect be significantly different from the rest of the UK, whereas independent it can be. This means it can never be better and equally, yes, it can be worse. Scots may calculate that they want a chance to be better organised and better off socioeconomically. They may additionally calculate that the possibility of it being difficult and at least for a while going worse is worth it.
Only one sample but on that one might conclude the Slovaks are perhaps happy going it on their own, there are certainly no reports in the media of significant dissatisfaction. The Slovak economy is, according to reports, not doing as well as the Czech one. They have land borders all around, but are in both the EU and Schengen. Slovakia went independent 25 years ago, current population around 5.5 million.
Iceland has no land borders, is doing conspicuously well, you would be laughed at if there you suggested it rejoin Denmark. Current population around 370,000.
Ireland/Eire is doing fairly well, it has a land border with the UK and as we know it would not be popular to suggest they return to UK rule. Current population 4.8 plus million.
None of this suggests population size or land borders are a determinant of either the "logic" of going independent, economic success, regret over having left the "former masters" or desire to return to that fold, or general satisfaction with the acquired independence. In fact, in the case of Iceland small size is clearly no barrier to in many important ways comfortably outperforming countries of the "sweet spot" size (UK included). Simply looking at the facts, it would not be an obvious folly for Scotland to choose independence from the UK - ignoring that some define membership of the EU as bondage. Scots define themselves differently from the way those south of the border do. It is not only because of this that they feel different from the southerners, their outlook is different too.
In the Union, Scotland will never in any major respect be significantly different from the rest of the UK, whereas independent it can be. This means it can never be better and equally, yes, it can be worse. Scots may calculate that they want a chance to be better organised and better off socioeconomically. They may additionally calculate that the possibility of it being difficult and at least for a while going worse is worth it.
All of the above may well be (or equally may well not be) true. I have one simple question to put about Scottish Independence: what would an independent Scotland use for currency and if it is not a home-grown currency started from scratch (with all the problems that entails), what would they use to buy it?
A number of Scots do want a referendum which coincidentally Sturgeon claims she wants too.
There may be no 'straight' /simple answer, they are individuals, although susceptible to propaganda, groupthink , tribal conditioning and *comfort*, as we all are.
People, although great effort is made to, can't always be forced into neat boxes.
I voted to Leave and would again, on the possibly forlorn wish to eradicate institutional corruption and thought that might be more possible in a smaller state and achieve a just society.
NJ - for home-grown currency, the Scottish pound.
There may be no 'straight' /simple answer, they are individuals, although susceptible to propaganda, groupthink , tribal conditioning and *comfort*, as we all are.
People, although great effort is made to, can't always be forced into neat boxes.
I voted to Leave and would again, on the possibly forlorn wish to eradicate institutional corruption and thought that might be more possible in a smaller state and achieve a just society.
NJ - for home-grown currency, the Scottish pound.
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