Boris' Deal Vs Teresa's Deal

[flobadob]

Does anyone know the main differences, if any, that make today's brexit deal any more palatable to parliament than any of the 3 deals that Teresa May couldn't get through? Other than of course kickstarting the long overdue veer toward a united Ireland.

[ichkeria]

The long term relationship between the EU and the UK will be looser as some of the stuff in the previous agreement has been moved to the non binding “political” relationship.
There will be no backstop now in 2021 because the whole of the UK leaves the customs union and single market. However NI is still subject to customs standards and checks will be done at N Irish ports. I’ll be honest I don’t really understand this bit. N Ireland’s assembly - which hasn’t sat for 2 years - will vote every 4 years in this arrangement continuing.
This could work badly for NI or actually it might work quite well. In the latter case it might make a United Ireland less likely.
Why is more likely to get through parliament? The only reason I can think of is fatigue and desperation on the part of MPs.

[spathiphyllum]

I thought EU said no more deals

[Buenchico]

This might help:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50083026

The main difference is probably the change in the proposed arrangements in relation to Northern Ireland.

[ichkeria]

Each side made a big “backstep”: the EU revised the terms on the withdrawal agreement effectively while Johnson has spectacularly backtracked on his “no customs border in the Irish Sea” pledge

[New Judge]

It is Mrs May's deal apart from the minor difference in the Irish position as outlined by Ikky. It splits the UK in that there is a customs border in the Irish Sea. I wonder how businesses on the Isle of Wight would feel if they had a customs border in the Solent. It is a crappy deal which gives the EU all they want. It doesn't matter though. It has not a cat in Hell's chance of being sanctioned by Westminster. Mr Benn's bill has ruled out a No Deal exit and the Remainers in Parliament have succeeded once again with their strategy of saying "No" to everything.

[ToraToraTora]

there is no difference they are both unacceptrable.

[ichkeria]

The difference regarding N Ireland is actually quite a significant one: it’s more or less reverted to the stage we were at when Theresa May suggested a customs border in the Irish Sea and the DUP refused to agree to it.
This time Boris Johnson has plainly gambled on the ultra Brexiters backing him because he’s got something that looks more like a Canada-style agreement on trade with no customs union or single market rules. And I don’t doubt also there’s an element of machismo too: I’m not sure there are too many feminists in the ERG...

[ToraToraTora]

the back stop or not is least of the problems, the other 90% of the deal is unaceptable too. This merely facilitates no deal.

[New Judge]

//This time Boris Johnson has plainly gambled on the ultra Brexiters backing him because he’s got something that looks more like a Canada-style agreement on trade with no customs union or single market rules.//

There is no agreement on trade. The WA is not a trade deal. All it does is puts in place some transitional arrangements which mean the EU will not cause us too much trouble when people and businesses on both sides of the Channel go about their everyday lives.

A trade deal might come later but only if the UK complies with the terms of the "political declaration" which requires it to adhere to the EU regulatory framework, labour and environmental legislation.

[andy-hughes]

I seriously dread the MP's rejecting the Deal tomorrow, mainly because it may lead to a Second Referendum, which flies in the face of the fundamental principle of parliamentary democracy, which demands that the will of the people is enacted.

It has to be clear to everyone, that if any other set of rules for a deal could have been found, it would not have taken this long to reach it.

I fear that Corbyn will reject the Deal simply because it is not his Deal, and he continues to present no viable alternatives.

Parliament needs to sort this out to retain any shreds of dignity and status with a seriously angry and disillusioned electorate that it is supposed to serve.

[Old_Geezer]

I doubt many have the stomach to waste time & money on a second referendum when it would be ignoring the first proving they are useless, and solve nothing. Hopefully after any rejection we aren't prevented from leaving with the default no deal. A GE can be held before, during, or after that.

[flobadob]

I honestly believe that if this deal is rejected and am extension is applied then brexit will not happen at all.