Abortion Law In Nys

[cassa333]

Apparently New York has passed an abortion law that. Allows termination up to the point of birth. And other states are looking closely to follow suit.

Now generally speaking I am pro choice but this has, for me, gone too far.

A full term baby is not a tumour or simply an inconvenience. It is a viable, feeling and thinking human being. How can anyone think this is right.

And a point made by someone was that if a pregnant woman is murdered then the murderer can’t be charged with two murders.

[spathiphyllum]

Jhee.. that must be mentally traumatic for the mother.

[ummmm]

My baby died in the womb. Very traumatic. I was just over 14 weeks and seen the scan picture. A perfectly formed baby.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Spathiphyllum: "However, population issue is still on the rise. for the greater good of the population 'crisis' i mean, it [full term abortion] is not a bad move"

If the aim is to reduce or limit population growth - for the "greater good" - all you have to do is extend this ("not a bad move") principle, don't you?

Can you see how?

[Sqad]

spath......I have no idea of the trauma being a male and i have never knowingly been involved with the mental trauma of diseased processes and Obstetrics is not my "ball game"......but yes, it is very traumatic for the mother.

[spathiphyllum]

"Can you see how?"

Of course but you have to be ethical.

[vetuste_ennemi]

//"But at what stage does the fetus become an infant?"
Once it has passed through the external orifice of the vagina.//

Why is it, then, that when Kate or Meghan become pregnant it's always referred to as the "royal baby" rather than the "royal foetus"?

[spathiphyllum]

The term baby has many meanings.. The term foetus doesn't. It's much more precise.

[vetuste_ennemi]

//Of course but you have to be ethical.//

If you've decided to do something for "the greater good" you've already sacrificed ethics to expediency.

[Sqad]

V.E...LOL. Good point, to which i have no answer.

[vetuste_ennemi]

//The term baby has many meanings.. The term foetus doesn't. It's much more precise//

Ah, the newscasters and reporters are just being sloppy.

[spathiphyllum]

"If you've decided to do something for "the greater good" you've already sacrificed ethics to expediency."

With ethics out of the window.. it would be very healthy for the planet if half the populous simply disappeared. Does Thanos come to mind? ;)

[spathiphyllum]

:D They're just trying to stir opinion ;)

[jno]

that must have been awful, ummmm. Did they tell you in those days what went wrong? My recollection from those days is that doctors in general could be a bit offhand about those things.

[ummmm]

No...just one of those things. They were really kind to us though.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Talking expediency, I'm reminded of the Gospel of St John. (Hey, Theland, are you around, mate?):

"47 Then gathered the chief priests and the Pharisees a council, and said, What do we? for this man doeth many miracles.
48 If we let him thus alone, all men will believe on him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation.
49 And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all,
50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not"

To his credit Caiaphas only wanted one man to die "for the greater good", not half the population.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Verse 53: "Then from that day forth they took counsel together for to put him to death"

[Ellipsis]

> I can see it being used if it will save the mother's life, though.

It always was "life". That's what they've changed - from "life" to "health".

[Spicerack]

A timely shot in the arm for the Planned Parenthood organ harvesters.

[cassa333]

Having read a bit more about this they are saying they can perform an abortion up to and during birth. They can also, after birth. They can, with the mothers approval, resuscitate and make the baby comfortable and then decide to terminate.